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« Reply #125 on: December 04, 2011, 11:30:00 PM »

And my math based results

63 Just Russia
56 Liberal Democrats
92 Communist Party
239 United Russia


To simplify:
358 MPs definitely in the pocket of the government
92 MPs possibly for the extremely inefficient and disgusting opposition

Given the public attitudes in Russia, that's quite a democracy.
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« Reply #126 on: December 04, 2011, 11:33:59 PM »

what I think the results would have been in a fair election


70   Just Russia
62   Liberal Democrats
112   Communist
26   Yabloko
180   United Russia
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« Reply #127 on: December 04, 2011, 11:41:40 PM »

To begin with, in anything like a fair election, the list of the parties would have bee quite different. Election is not just vote counting, you know. In a fair election JR wouldn't even run, most likely.

Whether Yabloko would have won in a fair count, is unclear. Everybody was thinking that they won't ever let Yabloko in, while most people were unsure of the JR's chances. So, there was a big strategic movement from Yabloko to JR - for some reason, people thought it would matter.

BTW, JC is no longer a right-wing party. It's a joke party - somewhat less humorous than the OMRLP in England, but also, frankly, a lot less serious or relevant. They killed it.
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« Reply #128 on: December 04, 2011, 11:50:49 PM »

Yabloko is the only "real" opposition party out there.
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« Reply #129 on: December 04, 2011, 11:51:58 PM »

As a side question, how unreformed are the Commies? Do they have much of a platform or is it only their name which attracts support?

I had the impression its supporters are mainly elderly pensioners who long for the Good Old Days.
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« Reply #130 on: December 04, 2011, 11:57:22 PM »

Yabloko is the only "real" opposition party out there.

No, unfortunately, it isn't. It's been so badly dealt with, it's not even much of a party anymore, just a pale shadow. The Commies are a bit more semi-alive.
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« Reply #131 on: December 05, 2011, 12:24:12 AM »

Map with gazeta.ru results (standard Atlas key):

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« Reply #132 on: December 05, 2011, 12:44:19 AM »

Notice, both St. Petersburg (city) and Moscow region (the province surrounding the city) have low 30s for UR, but in Moscow ostensibly it is in the 40s. Of course, the Moscow city exit poll gave UR under 30%. They were so afraid of the city that they had falsified it especially massively.
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« Reply #133 on: December 05, 2011, 01:31:50 AM »

Notice, both St. Petersburg (city) and Moscow region (the province surrounding the city) have low 30s for UR, but in Moscow ostensibly it is in the 40s. Of course, the Moscow city exit poll gave UR under 30%. They were so afraid of the city that they had falsified it especially massively.

The SR total in Moscow city is also unusually low.
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« Reply #134 on: December 05, 2011, 02:27:37 AM »

As a side question, how unreformed are the Commies? Do they have much of a platform or is it only their name which attracts support?

I had the impression its supporters are mainly elderly pensioners who long for the Good Old Days.

The leadership and many old-age supporters - absolutely. I remember present head of Moscow commies since days when we were both a students at Moscow University. Some business supporters and more young officials - usually slightly less orthodox. But, nevertheless, even they speak about "socialism" and "old days of glory" with admiration)))
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« Reply #135 on: December 05, 2011, 04:03:24 AM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkL6kepBuME&feature=related
these invisible pens
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KG1ey3QvC7Y&feature=player_embedded
Ballot stuffing for ER
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« Reply #136 on: December 05, 2011, 04:11:26 AM »

We are on Friday at his office bet on the result of "United Russia". Each gave a prediction, all recorded on paper.
Predicted it is "official result" that is the result of the amendment to the fraud.
Winner within a week, all the rest have to feed in a restaurant.

I will not feed.
To my shame I must confess that I am a coward predicted 54% for the Party of Crooks and Thieves.
Well, it seemed unlikely that they so bad - even magical beard rogue Churov not give them a majority.
We have only one person said that the EP is less than 50.

"United Russia <50% of the vote in the country" was declared as a political program for a maximum active honest people in this election. Make it an impudent rogues at least take all the rest. Talks some lead, negotiate.

If I had on Saturday said that the "official result" ER be <50% is not a happy smile slid off my face daily.
Well, wake up. 49.54.
A kind of happiness and not felt. And quite the contrary.

Because yesterday afternoon it became clear - ER may qualify for a real fight for 35% and not 50%.
And yesterday's ideas about the resounding success naturally do not seem quite so attractive.

(Sensible results on an interactive map Gazete.ru)

We are proud of the Far East, Siberia, the Urals and Central Russia, Peter and the North-West, where crooks and thieves pulled the full program.
Not just clapped, but did not give to steal the victory.
When the day began arriving yesterday on the results of Vladivostok, wanted to run straight, take back the ticket and fly kiss  people on the streets.

The election was a battle for the city. Many times, talked about it. Russian citizens have won this battle.

These two have now is not the power.
In the sense that they are not the same "multinational people of the Russian Federation."

The main result of this election was the final clarity: who are crooks and thieves who like to tell that they are "the party of teachers, doctors, engineers and so on."

"United Russia" - the party representing Chechnya, thieves elite of national republics, downtrodden village and municipality in Moscow crooks who saved "edrosov" from a complete failure.

Putin - President of Chechnya, Dagestan and Ingushetia, but not Russia.

Separate discussion of Moscow. Here victory was stolen and could not defend - is the main disappointment.
All exit pollz showed 27% of maximum. "Results" were almost twice as high.
Well, no exit polling is not necessary: ​​Moscow certainly not 100% homogeneous, but believe that in one area result EP - 23%, and across the road - 70% of impossible.
Collected an enormous amount of evidence tampering. Video recordings of tens.

Protect the results in Moscow - the main task of the current opposition parties. And those who are now celebrating the victory, and those who have not passed in the Duma, but got good results in Msc.
Personally, I like Muscovite demand that all parties except the EP, officially announced the results of non-recognition in Moscow.
All the rogues of DEZov, management, schools and election commissions, participated in the lawlessness should be prosecuted.
Compile lists of these people and prosecute them. Gorbunov and all Kompashki must be declared official enemies.
Leaders and members of opposition parties must go tonight at a protest rally in the city center.


I want to congratulate all and say thank you.

Nobody believed that "less than 50" possible.
Sick of the crowds of skeptics, "you are far from the people, do not know what happens outside Moscow."
"Television is needed, the internet is not working."
"Do not you convince your grandparents pictures."
"The campaign against ER - a hamster, the rest of the country does not know about it."

We have built a new political space of the country:
All together - against the United Russia party.
Russia - against the Party of Crooks and Thieves.

Being a member of "ER" was quite embarrassing.
No one rogue-mandate, which went from an EP is not printed on the advertising logos, and portraits of party kremlezhulikov - it only brings negative.
Rational choice of those who want to get popular support was to criticize EP or at least stay away from them.
Wake up all the night and ask, which party - the party Crooks and Thieves? And he answered correctly.
New amazing sociological phenomenon: even those who voted for ER not talk about it to people not on the exit poll. Feel free.

Absolute monopoly of zombie-vision defeated, we have learned to communicate information to millions of people without it.

At the election came people who did not go to them the last ten years.

Our main enemy - Mr. "ВСЕ_ЭТО_БЕСПОЛЕЗНО_МЫ_НИЧЕГО_НЕ_РЕШАЕМ" is not defeated, but received a serious blow.
For the first time in many years, millions of very different Russian citizens have chosen a common political strategy, implemented it without some serious coordination and successful.

Yes, rogues have 49% instead of 35%. But the former 65% of them can only dream of pink dreams.
They are rigged, but the falsification - as unfortunate rejuvenation with Botox.
Wanted someone to cheat and look young, but I got an uncle, bitten by bees.
Another recipe, but to add more Botox, my uncle does not know, but he was afraid that would not open his eyes and his mouth would go to his head.
That's torn it. Are suffering.

Linden 49% - the same botoksnaya face of power. Something artificial is very noticeable and unpleasant.
With wrinkled, then it would be better. Painfully taut cheekbones - that and look to explode. They explode.

Thanks again to all who one way or another participated in the campaign against the Party of Crooks and Thieves.
You - the real citizens.

Next it will be harder, but more fun. Now we know what we can achieve success.
And win.
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« Reply #137 on: December 05, 2011, 04:33:26 AM »

http://tebedam.livejournal.com/117181.html - mass violations
http://zyalt.livejournal.com/489790.html - OMON cruelty
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« Reply #138 on: December 05, 2011, 08:38:16 AM »


What is happening in the second video?
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« Reply #139 on: December 05, 2011, 08:49:11 AM »


Ballt stuffing. Prefilled (for "United Russia") bulletins are intentionaly added to legal one's during vote count to increase "UR" percentage... Very common practice in some areas of Russia on part of the "ruling party".
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« Reply #140 on: December 05, 2011, 10:36:44 AM »

Basically, what they are trying to document are piles of (sometimes folded together) ballot papers (presumably all marked for UR) that were found inside the ballots boxes. The idea is these were deposited together by somebody who arrived at the polling station w/ a pile of pre-marked papers. Whenever these were found neatly stacked inside the boxes, observers tried to file protests, while the electoral workers tried to mix them up w/ the rest of the papers.
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« Reply #141 on: December 05, 2011, 10:45:19 AM »

map/results link
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« Reply #142 on: December 05, 2011, 10:53:03 AM »


LOL, Chechnya.

A small piece of Soviet Union is truly preserved there. Tongue
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« Reply #143 on: December 05, 2011, 10:57:10 AM »

An interesting sideline. Putin traditionally votes in an "intellectual" precinct in southwestern Moscow. I guess, in part for that reason (local observers are hard to play games with), and also not to have a scandal associated w/ his name, they usually count decently there. Of course, the precinct is not very representable for many reasons. But, at least, it doesn't seem his "neighbors" love the guy. Anyway, results for "Putin" precint:

Commies 26.35%
UR 23.7%
Yabloko 20.73%
JR 17.09%

The Gagarinsky district as a whole (where this precinct is located) is even more oppositionist:

Commies 27.33%
Yabloko 21.81%
UR 20.91%
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« Reply #144 on: December 05, 2011, 11:10:01 AM »

I wonder how many "Null and Void" ballots were Yabloko.
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« Reply #145 on: December 05, 2011, 02:50:46 PM »

99.48%?

I mean, I know Chechnya's results are always rigged, but...99.48%?
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« Reply #146 on: December 05, 2011, 02:58:31 PM »

I know.

They mixed up the 8 and the 4.
I hope Putin is not that upset.
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« Reply #147 on: December 05, 2011, 04:47:08 PM »

Any links to the final/quasi-final results?
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« Reply #148 on: December 05, 2011, 05:20:13 PM »

What I am having problems understanding is "If this election was rigged (as some people have suggested) why did United Russia rig it to lose their overall majority?"
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« Reply #149 on: December 05, 2011, 05:21:47 PM »

Because there are a few main ways to rig an election and they've chosen to do it with systematic intimidation and throwing out ballots, not just by flat-out pulling numbers completely out of thin air (except in Chechnya).
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