Russian electoral type event: 2011 (Duma)

[Dereich]

Well, as long as the LDPR is being mentioned, from what I hear from a Russian expat friend of mine, they have two big issues as of late: Allowing journalists more access to prison inmates and getting Greece to join the CIS and leave the EU behind.
...Sounds legit.

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

LDPR has always been Pro-Kremlin. The only truly anti-kremlin party is the Communists. Sad.

[Pingvin]

NOBODY OF THEM ARE ANTI-KREMLIN.
United Russia would again reiceve 100% (with 3 puppets)
If not UR, then who?
1. Anybody but.... (doesn't works - see above)
2. Destroy the ballot or write-in (your vote still casted for UR)
3. Ignore election (same as 2)
Same on 2012 prez election.
These are reasons why I now want to draft Coulter for Russian president.
Also: Pirates and Libertarians not allowed.
And there also :''Right Cause'' - pro-Putin libs, Yabloko - same, Patriots - one-man-party (their leader is Semigin - was GTFOed from commies because of his fight with Zuganov)

[Pingvin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=f2B1r-iywco
Denis Agashin, Mayor of Izhevsk bribes veterans organization: (from 3:10)
Rogue, do not hesitate cameras, just the voice of bribery amounts (3-10 in the video):

500 thousand rubles. per year for veterans' organizations - in voting for "UR" from 51 to 54%
700 thousand rubles. - When voting for "UR" from 55 to 59%
1 million rubles. - When voting for "UR" 60% or more

If the vote for United Russia is not provided, then our ruling party claims of "no knobs - no jam":

"... Local area in which Lenin district has received all the more because it's better all voted in favor of" United Russia ". 75 million rubles. Leninsky District has been allocated, the October - 40-something, industrial - as well ... Again, that Lenin district has received more than all the money, just because you voted and supported the "United Russia" because it is distributed as "
...
(From 5-20 in the video) "And we will leave this approach for the future of all distributions of funding - promised Agashin. - Where we are supported ... If in the October district voted 41 percent for "United Russia", then why should they get the money as much as in the Leninsky district, where 60 percent of the vote. I think it's unfair "

(from 2-00 in the video) ".. without a vote for" United Russia ", we do not give. Because today, starting at the top, with the federation, the distribution of all money, all resuources is just so ... who now supports the existing power, and the "United Russia" - this is the party in power, who supports it, and to add and money and increase funding "

[Pingvin]

I put the task to collect 65% of the city

At last week's call from the Administration of Chelyabinsk was announced on the need to appear on October 14 meeting to Mayor of Chelyabinsk S. Davydov on the organization of elections. The lady transferred the telephone call, introduce yourself and announce the subject of the meeting refused.

Directors of the purpose of collecting on such activities before the elections there are clear and do absolutely nothing. Nothing new will. Detached from us, the representative reiterated that the main purpose of the meeting - to organize the victory party of crooks and thieves with a score of 65%. The meeting led Davydov with two assistants. Specially trained people in civilian clothes to stop attempts of audio and video.

On the platform were announced actions that each of the directors must perform their enterprise. Problem is known and has already been tried and tested power in the last election. Numerous violations of law to even comment will not just show you this list.


1. Explain to people what the outcome of voting depends on funding. United Russia, which is located in Moscow, no matter who allocate the money. They have a certain amount and they allocate to the region in which more votes scored for the EP. We want it to be a our area. In the area of ​​this money will be distributed as follows: 30% of the regional center, the rest of the field, provided that it is the regional center will be typed exactly the percentage that is needed. Put the task to collect 65% of the city of Chelyabinsk.

2. Organize a system for monitoring the arrival of the polling stations. You are all here together and heads of organizations have their authority to subordinates. And if you tell them you need to come to the polls, the people will come.

3. Highlight the person for whom communication will be strengthened with the administration at the polls. At the polling stations will be representatives from the organizations and in-line report about what is happening to the representative of the administration, supervising the organization.

4. To ensure that people were interested to put a tick where necessary, desirable material to motivate participation in the vote. Voted for United Russia pays 500 to 1,000 rubles. We are here, not a recording will be told to state their issue a maximum prize of 2,000 rubles. Methods of control are different. For example, all the phones have cameras. Photographed that well put a tick - won the award.

5. People living outside the city must take absentee ballots and vote in the area at the site where the company is registered. I remind issuance of absentee ballots will begin on October 19.

6. Need to arrange transportation of people living in other cities and boroughs, to the polling stations where the company is registered for the control of arrival.

7. Always and in every organization there are a couple of ardent opponents of EP, which will be campaigning to vote against the EP. With them, as was once said we should fight this way: declare voting day a working day, to give the shovel a little more and let the adjacent area dug up.


Symbolic last item "action." Earlier this may sound. It was believed that EP supports all and only necessary to ensure that people vote on the plots. Well, about a couple of obvious understatement.

From the audience were heard remarks that people work, then you can not make, not something that the EP vote. A significant portion of time (and this is also the first time) Davydov spent on advertising themselves directors. It looked awkward:
"
If you think that voting against the EP, you change something, then nothing. All pre-decided for you. All are paid from a fund, you just rob money and your area of ​​the city. After all the money that is budgeted, only enough to pay state employees and maintenance of municipal institutions. All the rest is financed from federal and regional budgets. And if we vote worse, the money from there we can not wait, they will be given to another person or Yekaterinburg. It is also the governor of the Chelyabinsk Region pledged in addition to 25 million rubles. Who stood out last year, another 100 million rubles. earmarked money to areas that will give good performance in the elections.

For agitation in enterprises, you are distributing the theses (note, anyone interested - PDF, 7Mb). Use them in their work.
"


Skepticism of those present knew no bounds. Not sure what the change in focus from previous meetings with persuasion to threats, positive impact on the audience.

And of course in vain, Mr. Davidov hopes that all decided for us.

[Bacon King]

I use simple terms to help people unfamiliar with the situation understand

And your calculations are based on what? Did you hack the Izbirkom server and got the planned results straight from chairman Churov's desktop, or is it from the office of comrade Surkov in the presidential administration?

It's from the #1 election projectionist in Canada in the last Federal election, who also got closer than anyone else in BC in 2009, who knows how to use polls to determine election results, especially when proportional representation is used.

Could you provide a link to this projectionist's blog or whatever? I'd like to take a look at wherever you got that analysis from because it looks incredibly arbitrary and doesn't seem to make any sort of sense at all. Is it that ThreeHundredEight site or whatever it was called? (Though maybe not, IIRC he called the Canadian election last year pretty badly but I may be misremembering).

[Verily]

The result is very predictable: Three pro-Kremlin parties win the vast majority of seats, Communists are the only opposition party to win seats and are communists, the real opposition in Yabloko and the Union of Right Forces declines even further (although they already lost all of their seats last go-round).

The only three parties in Russia with anything approaching an ideology are Yabloko (center-left), URF (center-right) and the Communists (communist, duh). The others are just institutional hacks with no differences or ideologies whatsoever.

[Insula Dei]

Uhm, I think Teddy is referring to himself?

[ag]

Haven't you seen what happened to the URF? First they had it castrated to the point that the leaders wouldn't even nominate candidates for city councils without explicit permission from the Kremlin (not that these candidates would be elected). Then they raped them, and had them sell the party to a rich guy. Then they stole the party from that rich guy. It is not an opposition - it is not even a party. And, of course, even the castrated and raped leaders of old have now left this bloody remnant of a party completely - it has nothing to do w/ what this lable was about even a few months ago.

Yabloko is only margnially better off. It has decayed into non-existence.  It's dead. They dug it out of the grave this time once again to motivate some people, who otherwise would ignore the proceedings completely, to show up and vote. At least, they avoided the public castration, rape and robbery.

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

I use simple terms to help people unfamiliar with the situation understand

And your calculations are based on what? Did you hack the Izbirkom server and got the planned results straight from chairman Churov's desktop, or is it from the office of comrade Surkov in the presidential administration?

It's from the #1 election projectionist in Canada in the last Federal election, who also got closer than anyone else in BC in 2009, who knows how to use polls to determine election results, especially when proportional representation is used.

Could you provide a link to this projectionist's blog or whatever? I'd like to take a look at wherever you got that analysis from because it looks incredibly arbitrary and doesn't seem to make any sort of sense at all. Is it that ThreeHundredEight site or whatever it was called? (Though maybe not, IIRC he called the Canadian election last year pretty badly but I may be misremembering).

No. 308 was way off and this guy was right, but 308's readership increased, while this guy's readership jumped from 17 pre election to 23 post election. That's people not thousands of people. It threw him into a depressed funk and he got so depressed that he ended up sick from work for months, and since he could not afford the website he had to shut it down, and still to this day people who he knows questions his ability, and he likens it to being shot in the balls then having your friends all kick you in the balls.

[Teddy (IDS Legislator)]

Also, this is a pro-kremlin to "not pro-kremlin" chat I made


KREMLIN
United Russia



Liberal Democrats




















Fair Russia









































Communists

[Sewer]

Where do Patriots of Russia, Right Cause, People's Freedom Party and Yabloko fit in?

[smoltchanov]

Well, as a person not only of Russian origin, but also residing in Moscow and having right to vote in russian elections i will try to add something new, though i agree with many things already said..

1. "United Russia" will win, and win big. There may be doubts whether it will have a "constitutional majority" (2/3) in Duma, but even if not - there will be enough "switches" from other parties (Communists, "Liberal Democrats" (this party is neither liberal, nor democratic), or, may be, "Just Russia", if it will get over 7%) to give it this majority. The main reason - is a "quality" (in fact - lack of quality) of opposition:  communists in Russia are (contrary to their Western counterparts) mostly of "unreconstructed" type , still dreaming about "great socialist/communist superstate", "Liberal Democrats" are very authocratic party of V. Zhirinovski, and, generally, a pet project of "Gorbachev's reconstructed KGB" of late 80th - early 90th (as far as it's leader is concerned - you may take Huey Long, add Edwin Edwards and David Duke according to your preferences, and you will get good "approximation" of him..), "Just Russia" is another Kremlin's project, which is similar to european socialists with some "green " tinge, and other - well, "Yabloko" ("Apple" in English) is, essentially, social-democratic party, popular during late years of Gorbachev's "Perestroika" (again - late 80th - early 90th), but - much less now and unlikely to get more then 2-3% of vote, "Right Cause" -  another Kremlin's project - an attempt to create a "manageable" (a key word here), party with seemingly european "democratic" slogans and ideas, which made a laughinstock of itself during recent internal power squabble, and will not get more then 2% as well, and "Patrions of Russia" is a splinter group from communists, which is composed of people, who turned to be more "ultrapatriotic" then communist, and is also unable to get more then 2% nationwide


2. All other parties and groups in Russia are not officially registered by Justice Department and thus have no rights to participate in this elections. An option (which became very popular in late 90th - early 2000th) "Against all", which became to serve as a possibility for voter to express it's dissatisfaction with "powers that be" and with so called "opposition"as well, was also conveniently (for authorities) eliminated, and does not exist anymore (it became to get more votes then any political party and candidate, so - no surprises here)

3. All central (and most local) mass media is controlled either by Kremlin or local authorities (usually "United Russia" members and/or leaders), so there is no "equal chances" for other parties to get their message heard. At the same time mr. Putin or mr. Medvedev may speak freely on national TV even 12 hours every day if he likes.. The same generally true about other high-ranking officials of "United Russia"

4. The level of election falsification is not high in relatively more "politically advanced" big cities like Moscow and St. Petersburg (and it's there, where "United Russia" may suffer at least some losses), but very high in remote provinces and rural areas. So, it's not a problem for "United Russia" operatives "to get some required votes"

5. As seen from everything described above - russian politics is extremely skewed (even compared to Europe, even more so - with US) left. The parties like "Right Cause" would, ideologically, correspond to something like moderately liberal Democrats in US, but in Russia it's an "extreme right"...  I, myself, consider my views "slightly left of center" by American standards, but by russian standards i am an "extreme rightist"))) There is almost no "civilized right" in Russia.... At all...

[LastVoter]

Well, as a person not only of Russian origin, but also residing in Moscow and having right to vote in russian elections i will try to add something new, though i agree with many things already said..

1. "United Russia" will win, and win big. There may be doubts whether it will have a "constitutional majority" (2/3) in Duma, but even if not - there will be enough "switches" from other parties (Communists, "Liberal Democrats" (this party is neither liberal, nor democratic), or, may be, "Just Russia", if it will get over 7%) to give it this majority. The main reason - is a "quality" (in fact - lack of quality) of opposition:  communists in Russia are (contrary to their Western counterparts) mostly of "unreconstructed" type , still dreaming about "great socialist/communist superstate", "Liberal Democrats" are very authocratic party of V. Zhirinovski, and, generally, a pet project of "Gorbachev's reconstructed KGB" of late 80th - early 90th (as far as it's leader is concerned - you may take Huey Long, add Edwin Edwards and David Duke according to your preferences, and you will get good "approximation" of him..), "Just Russia" is another Kremlin's project, which is similar to european socialists with some "green " tinge, and other - well, "Yabloko" ("Apple" in English) is, essentially, social-democratic party, popular during late years of Gorbachev's "Perestroika" (again - late 80th - early 90th), but - much less now and unlikely to get more then 2-3% of vote, "Right Cause" -  another Kremlin's project - an attempt to create a "manageable" (a key word here), party with seemingly european "democratic" slogans and ideas, which made a laughinstock of itself during recent internal power squabble, and will not get more then 2% as well, and "Patrions of Russia" is a splinter group from communists, which is composed of people, who turned to be more "ultrapatriotic" then communist, and is also unable to get more then 2% nationwide


2. All other parties and groups in Russia are not officially registered by Justice Department and thus have no rights to participate in this elections. An option (which became very popular in late 90th - early 2000th) "Against all", which became to serve as a possibility for voter to express it's dissatisfaction with "powers that be" and with so called "opposition"as well, was also conveniently (for authorities) eliminated, and does not exist anymore (it became to get more votes then any political party and candidate, so - no surprises here)

3. All central (and most local) mass media is controlled either by Kremlin or local authorities (usually "United Russia" members and/or leaders), so there is no "equal chances" for other parties to get their message heard. At the same time mr. Putin or mr. Medvedev may speak freely on national TV even 12 hours every day if he likes.. The same generally true about other high-ranking officials of "United Russia"

4. The level of election falsification is not high in relatively more "politically advanced" big cities like Moscow and St. Petersburg (and it's there, where "United Russia" may suffer at least some losses), but very high in remote provinces and rural areas. So, it's not a problem for "United Russia" operatives "to get some required votes"

5. As seen from everything described above - russian politics is extremely skewed (even compared to Europe, even more so - with US) left. The parties like "Right Cause" would, ideologically, correspond to something like moderately liberal Democrats in US, but in Russia it's an "extreme right"...  I, myself, consider my views "slightly left of center" by American standards, but by russian standards i am an "extreme rightist"))) There is almost no "civilized right" in Russia.... At all...

I wouldn't say so. There are still many publicly owned industries, but they aren't very supported. The income tax is only 13%. Considering that russia is in it's own little dreamed up world politically makes it hard to point it down where it is. I think social issues would be a little easier, and it still doesn't give a clear picture, abortion is legal and unchallenged, but gays are hated by most of the population. No death penalty, but a prison system that imprisons almost as many people per capita as the US. Trying to describe Russian politics in Western terms will eventually lead you to contradicting yourself eventually.

[Хahar 🤔]

To what extent is the KPRF actually an opposition party?

[smoltchanov]

I wouldn't say so. There are still many publicly owned industries, but they aren't very supported. The income tax is only 13%. Considering that russia is in it's own little dreamed up world politically makes it hard to point it down where it is. I think social issues would be a little easier, and it still doesn't give a clear picture, abortion is legal and unchallenged, but gays are hated by most of the population. No death penalty, but a prison system that imprisons almost as many people per capita as the US. Trying to describe Russian politics in Western terms will eventually lead you to contradicting yourself eventually.

The characterization in "russian terms" would be even less clear for western reader))) So i try to use their terminology...

The abortion is not as "legal and unchallenged" as it seems - according to the latest law there must be at least 2 days (in some cases - 7 days) waiting period before abotion really performed (except some critical medical situations). Gays are hated everywhere, to the lesser degree - in capitals. No death penalty- yes, but you will not survive more then few years in most "special prisons" in Russia. 13% "flat" tax - yes, but not for long, despite it's being obviously beneficial to oligarchs and "powers that be".... An authocratic hybrid of "state capitalism" (similar to China, though, naturally, with some differences) with, still, some "socialist" features..... (all is, of course, IMHO))))

[smoltchanov]

To what extent is the KPRF actually an opposition party?

Not especially. It's leaders "eat" from the same "feedlot" as almost all other: they are (as parliament deputies) entitled to a lot of government-sustained benefits and privileges, so - you can imagine....)))

[minionofmidas]

I use simple terms to help people unfamiliar with the situation understand

And your calculations are based on what? Did you hack the Izbirkom server and got the planned results straight from chairman Churov's desktop, or is it from the office of comrade Surkov in the presidential administration?

It's from the #1 election projectionist in Canada in the last Federal election, who also got closer than anyone else in BC in 2009, who knows how to use polls to determine election results, especially when proportional representation is used.

Could you provide a link to this projectionist's blog or whatever? I'd like to take a look at wherever you got that analysis from because it looks incredibly arbitrary and doesn't seem to make any sort of sense at all. Is it that ThreeHundredEight site or whatever it was called? (Though maybe not, IIRC he called the Canadian election last year pretty badly but I may be misremembering).

No. 308 was way off and this guy was right, but 308's readership increased

Comparing yourself to that site is setting the bar a wee bit low (and selling yourself too cheaply), perhaps?

And elections don't work the same everywhere. Being good in one country doesn't make you good in others. Canada being a particularly unique beast, as it happens.

[ag]

The characterization in "russian terms" would be even less clear for western reader))) So i try to use their terminology...

There isn't such a thing as a "western reader". Nobody lives in the "West" - people live in US, UK, France, etc., etc.  The left-right spectrum is different in every country. On many issues what is considered "mainstream" in Russia would make hardcore KKK members in the US blush. On other issues, all Russians are (by the US standards) Communists.

[minionofmidas]

Well, as a person not only of Russian origin, but also residing in Moscow

Oh. Say hello to Moscow for me. It's been a while... I hear the Ismailovo has been torn down since.

[Insula Dei]

BTW, are the National-Bolsheviks running candidates? Is Limonov still in jail anyway?

[ag]

BTW, are the National-Bolsheviks running candidates? Is Limonov still in jail anyway?

Running candidates for what? For prison council representative? I doubt. They aren't a registered political party, they can't run candidates.

No, Limonov isn't in jail, AFAIK

[smoltchanov]

The characterization in "russian terms" would be even less clear for western reader))) So i try to use their terminology...

There isn't such a thing as a "western reader". Nobody lives in the "West" - people live in US, UK, France, etc., etc.  The left-right spectrum is different in every country. On many issues what is considered "mainstream" in Russia would make hardcore KKK members in the US blush. On other issues, all Russians are (by the US standards) Communists.

Of course. But i can't write 10 messages on one subject - one for Americans (in "American political language"), 1 - for British, 1 - for Germans, and so on. For most Russians differencs between, say, US people and those of Great Britain are minimal, compared to similarities (which are generally combined into something called "West" or "Western political system")... Few people go into details))) The same - vice versa))))

[smoltchanov]

Well, as a person not only of Russian origin, but also residing in Moscow

Oh. Say hello to Moscow for me. It's been a while... I hear the Ismailovo has been torn down since.

I will. Yes, if you mean a "flea market")))

[ag]

Few people go into details)))

Actually, here we do ))