Italian General Election 2012 ?

[Antonio the Sixth]

Berlusconi about to resign, at 20:30 CEST. The House passed his austerity bill earlier this afternoon.

[Antonio the Sixth]

It's official.

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

I find it funny how in Italy left-wingers support majority and right-wingers support PR, while it's more or less the contrary everywhere else.

In Sweden as well. The Social Democrats historicly favourd single-member constituencies, while the centre-right has been strongly opposed. Considering the political geography of the country it's hardly surprising though 

[DL]

Re: Berlusconi - all I can say is DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD!!

[SPQR]

God am I enjoying these moments.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I find it funny how in Italy left-wingers support majority and right-wingers support PR, while it's more or less the contrary everywhere else.

In Sweden as well. The Social Democrats historicly favourd single-member constituencies, while the centre-right has been strongly opposed. Considering the political geography of the country it's hardly surprising though 

This is one of those lists that gets longer and longer to the point at which... ah... maybe it is not such an obvious general rule after all...

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

I find it funny how in Italy left-wingers support majority and right-wingers support PR, while it's more or less the contrary everywhere else.

In Sweden as well. The Social Democrats historicly favourd single-member constituencies, while the centre-right has been strongly opposed. Considering the political geography of the country it's hardly surprising though 

This is one of those lists that gets longer and longer to the point at which... ah... maybe it is not such an obvious general rule after all...

Well that was sort of what I wanted to acomplish. I don't think there is a general rule that the right supports unproportional electoral systems and the left proportional, rather I'd say the general rule is that political parties will support the system that would benefit them the most. It's not really an ideological issue. 

[DL]

Are the any polls out showing how Italy might vote in an election now that "Caligula" has resigned?

[Hash]

From earlier this month:

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I find it funny how in Italy left-wingers support majority and right-wingers support PR, while it's more or less the contrary everywhere else.

In Sweden as well. The Social Democrats historicly favourd single-member constituencies, while the centre-right has been strongly opposed. Considering the political geography of the country it's hardly surprising though 

This is one of those lists that gets longer and longer to the point at which... ah... maybe it is not such an obvious general rule after all...

Well that was sort of what I wanted to acomplish. I don't think there is a general rule that the right supports unproportional electoral systems and the left proportional, rather I'd say the general rule is that political parties will support the system that would benefit them the most. It's not really an ideological issue. 

Indeed. And I was agreeing with you. Hey, the harder parts of the Labour Left have traditionally been ardent supporters of fptp.

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

I find it funny how in Italy left-wingers support majority and right-wingers support PR, while it's more or less the contrary everywhere else.

In Sweden as well. The Social Democrats historicly favourd single-member constituencies, while the centre-right has been strongly opposed. Considering the political geography of the country it's hardly surprising though 

This is one of those lists that gets longer and longer to the point at which... ah... maybe it is not such an obvious general rule after all...

Well that was sort of what I wanted to acomplish. I don't think there is a general rule that the right supports unproportional electoral systems and the left proportional, rather I'd say the general rule is that political parties will support the system that would benefit them the most. It's not really an ideological issue. 

Indeed. And I was agreeing with you. Hey, the harder parts of the Labour Left have traditionally been ardent supporters of fptp.

Good, we're in agreement. Next step, take over the world  

[Antonio the Sixth]

From earlier this month:

I fear the PdL will try to spin the new situation in order to pretend they are in the opposition and gain a few points. I doubt it could significantly change things, though. People are fed up of Berlusconi.

[RodPresident]

Without this Majority Prize thing, Vendola and Di Pietro could get more votes.

[Keystone Phil]

Only leading by ten? That's pathetic.

By the way, I read earlier today that Berlusconi is entertaining the idea of being a figure in the next campaign. It seemed like he'd either be the real force behind Alfano (I believe the Telegraph compared him and Alfano to Putin and Medvedev) or - get ready for it - that he'd actually be the candidate. I'm guessing that he's probably just acting out of habit, still craving the spotlight and not actually serious about doing it.

[RodPresident]

Berlusconi plans were to get Presidency in 2013, where he would be real power. Vendola and Di Pietro are in position to pressure Bersani in exchange for power positions. Austerity measures only can be passed if PD compromises with PdL, if new elections are hold by now.

[Iannis]

The central point for the centre-right is whether it will be reunited or not, with Berlusconi not being the central figure now. Today Fini said that there could  be not anymore a Third pole, without Berlusconi, and a reunification. In perspective this is the future, but we don't know when

[Tender Branson]

Only leading by ten? That's pathetic.

This is the last poll I've seen, from Nov. 8:



New polls should be out really soon.

[SPQR]

Only leading by ten? That's pathetic.

No party or coalition has ever won with a bigger percentage since the times of Democrazia Cristiana...

[Keystone Phil]

Only leading by ten? That's pathetic.

No party or coalition has ever won with a bigger percentage since the times of Democrazia Cristiana...

But the election isn't being held today. 

Today Fini said that there could  be not anymore a Third pole, without Berlusconi, and a reunification.

Yes!

[Keystone Phil]

And if this reunification of the Right is for real, the Left's lead is down to five.

[Antonio the Sixth]

The right reunifying would require Berlusconi clearly abandoning it (not just stepping aside and propping up his buddy Alfano) as well as some significant strategy change (giving less room to Lega, to be clear). It can happen, but not if PdL keeps acting as it has in these last days.

[Keystone Phil]

The right reunifying would require Berlusconi clearly abandoning it (not just stepping aside and propping up his buddy Alfano) as well as some significant strategy change (giving less room to Lega, to be clear). It can happen, but not if PdL keeps acting as it has in these last days.

I don't think Fini would comment on reunification unless Berlusconi was clearly out of the picture. Hopefully, they address the Lega Nord issue, too.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

That might be harder than it looks.

[Keystone Phil]

That might be harder than it looks.

What's that? Putting a leash on Lega Nord? Of course it will be difficult. I'm just saying that it should be done.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

That might be harder than it looks.

What's that? Putting a leash on Lega Nord? Of course it will be difficult. I'm just saying that it should be done.

The problem is that they might respond to leashing with 'fyck off'. As you know.