Israel general discussion

[Hnv1]

Herzog and Margalit have endorsed Peretz.

Herzog voters could be swayed by it, from what I hear and see on social media Margalit supporters aren't rushing to Peretz (for a variety of reasons). Yechimovic and former PM Barak endorsed Gabay. Only Shaffir from the big names is still on the fence (Bar Lev refused to endorse any of them).

I wonder if many voters would want to stick one up the "establishment", electing Gabay could put the PLP (am I allowed to use this term outside of the UK?) in a dangerous spin.

[America Needs R'hllor]

Herzog and Margalit have endorsed Peretz.

Herzog voters could be swayed by it, from what I hear and see on social media Margalit supporters aren't rushing to Peretz (for a variety of reasons). Yechimovic and former PM Barak endorsed Gabay. Only Shaffir from the big names is still on the fence (Bar Lev refused to endorse any of them).

I wonder if many voters would want to stick one up the "establishment", electing Gabay could put the PLP (am I allowed to use this term outside of the UK?) in a dangerous spin.

Shaffir endorsed Gabay yesterday. He seems to have the less old-establishment-minded MPs like Rosenthal, Yachimovich, Biran and Shaffir with him, while Peretz gets people like Herzog, Bar, and Shay.

[Famous Mortimer]

Weird.

It seems like Gabbay is getting the more economically left-wing MKs and Peretz is getting the more economically right-wing MKs, which is the exact opposite of what I would have expected based on past information.

Am I reading this right? Or is everyone going to jump on me and say "ECONOMICS ARE A NON-ISSUE IN ISRAEL!" and it's purely a matter of establishment vs. anti-establishment?

[MaxQue]

Not sure it's the right thread, but.

The leader of the ultra-orthodox cult Lev Tahor (qualified as dangerous and child abusers by an Israeli court), which was previously living on Quebec and Ontario (they fled to Guatemala, claiming they were persecuted (rather because authorities wanted to prosecute them for beating up kids, denying them education and making them stay in insalubrious conditions), they also make women wear integral veils) drowned during a purification ceremony in a river.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/leader-of-lev-tahor-cult-drowns-in-mexico-report/

[DavidB.]

Good riddance.

[MaxQue]

Good riddance.

Yeah, should help lower antisemitism in Quebec if that weaken the sect (antisemitism is high because of them being used by populist politicians an the perfect example of "foreigners not integrating" and because they end in Quebec news a lot (probably half the time the Jewish faith is mentionned in news here is in relation to them, their abuses, their flights or the fight to rapatriate the Canadian born kids. Doesn't do anything about the other 30% about ultra-oxthodox illegal schools/illegal parking/traditions clashing with gender equality).

I wish it will help the families of the brainwashed to recover their family members.

[Hnv1]

Weird.

It seems like Gabbay is getting the more economically left-wing MKs and Peretz is getting the more economically right-wing MKs, which is the exact opposite of what I would have expected based on past information.

Am I reading this right? Or is everyone going to jump on me and say "ECONOMICS ARE A NON-ISSUE IN ISRAEL!" and it's purely a matter of establishment vs. anti-establishment?

In some way that's correct, I saw the Danny Gutwein followers already tarnishing his supporters as not 'true socialists' online.

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Never heard of him\them, doesn't seem that I've missed much. On the outskirts of Haredi (mainly hassidic) society there are quite a lot of bizarre cults, the Taliban Women in Jerusalem are the most infamous though by far not the largest of them

[SATW]

I'm just glad Herzog lost.

Why? He was one of the better ones ideologically, and one of the worse ones electorally. Win-win.

Yes, that's true, but it stopped being funny and started becoming sad and pathetic on his part.

[Hnv1]

Turnout figures will be similar to the first round (just short of 60%). Results in an hour, Gabay's hq are a little stressed and are trying to get more people to vote. Time for bets! 53-47 to Peretz, Gabay is too unfamiliar to carry this

[America Needs R'hllor]

Turnout figures will be similar to the first round (just short of 60%). Results in an hour, Gabay's hq are a little stressed and are trying to get more people to vote. Time for bets! 53-47 to Peretz, Gabay is too unfamiliar to carry this

In the area of 55-45 for Peretz. Voted for Gabay today, the machine had a problem with it and took a few tried to register the vote, but it's probably just the machine.

[America Needs R'hllor]

Avi Gabay won.
52.4% for Gabay, 47.6% for Peretz.

[Hnv1]

Ha! well, he'll soon find out Peretz is a sour loser

[Hnv1]

Winners of tonight: Yechimovic, Shaffir. Losers: Herzog (again), Margalit, Michaeli, Nissenkorn, PLP.

I expect a rupture soon, majority of MKs and establishment figures went with Peretz who is a notorious sour loser.

[Kingpoleon]

Weird.

It seems like Gabbay is getting the more economically left-wing MKs and Peretz is getting the more economically right-wing MKs, which is the exact opposite of what I would have expected based on past information.

Am I reading this right? Or is everyone going to jump on me and say "ECONOMICS ARE A NON-ISSUE IN ISRAEL!" and it's purely a matter of establishment vs. anti-establishment?

I find this to be an interesting question.

Does anyone have a good answer?

[danny]

Weird.

It seems like Gabbay is getting the more economically left-wing MKs and Peretz is getting the more economically right-wing MKs, which is the exact opposite of what I would have expected based on past information.

Am I reading this right? Or is everyone going to jump on me and say "ECONOMICS ARE A NON-ISSUE IN ISRAEL!" and it's purely a matter of establishment vs. anti-establishment?

I find this to be an interesting question.

Does anyone have a good answer?

I think Mortimer has it about right, it's more about different camps and style than differences in economic ideologies.

[Famous Mortimer]

Has the Nissenkorn vs Yachimovich race happened yet? If not, when?

[America Needs R'hllor]

Has the Nissenkorn vs Yachimovich race happened yet? If not, when?

It did, Nissenkorn won by a lot.

[Hnv1]

Weird.

It seems like Gabbay is getting the more economically left-wing MKs and Peretz is getting the more economically right-wing MKs, which is the exact opposite of what I would have expected based on past information.

Am I reading this right? Or is everyone going to jump on me and say "ECONOMICS ARE A NON-ISSUE IN ISRAEL!" and it's purely a matter of establishment vs. anti-establishment?

I find this to be an interesting question.

Does anyone have a good answer?

I think Mortimer has it about right, it's more about different camps and style than differences in economic ideologies.

This. I think the last purely ideaological fights in Labour were in the 70's

It looks like Gabay carried most  Bar Lev/Margalit voters, it seems Shaffer/Yechimovic had more effect on their vote than Margalit's endorsement

[Hnv1]

Fresh polls conducted after Gabay was elected (I took part in one). grain of salt yada yada


channel 2:
Likud - 25
Labour - 20
Lapid - 18
JH - 13
JAL - 13
Kulano - 8
UTJ - 7
Liberman - 6
Shas - 5
Meretz - 5

Gabay drank back voters who went to Lapid but also siphoned some of Kachlon and a little bit of Meretz. Can't see any clear effect on Likud

Channel 10
Likud - 29
Labour - 24
Lapid - 16
JH - 14
JAL - 8
Liberman - 7
Kachlon - 6
UTJ - 6
Shas - 5
Meretz - 5

I find this poll to be completely garbage.

[Hnv1]

Herzog will remain the leader of the opposition in the Knesset along with the privileges of the post. This is going to be weird, as the leader of the opposition gets 1 on 1 meeting with every foreign leader visiting Gabay will have to tag along. I wonder if Bibi will permit him to join to monthly intelligence briefing with the leader of the opposition...he could pull a stunt there.

[America Needs R'hllor]

Herzog will remain the leader of the opposition in the Knesset along with the privileges of the post. This is going to be weird, as the leader of the opposition gets 1 on 1 meeting with every foreign leader visiting Gabay will have to tag along. I wonder if Bibi will permit him to join to monthly intelligence briefing with the leader of the opposition...he could pull a stunt there.

A big mistake. Should've chosen someone like Margalit, Shaffir or even Peretz, just not Herzog.

[Hnv1]

Herzog will remain the leader of the opposition in the Knesset along with the privileges of the post. This is going to be weird, as the leader of the opposition gets 1 on 1 meeting with every foreign leader visiting Gabay will have to tag along. I wonder if Bibi will permit him to join to monthly intelligence briefing with the leader of the opposition...he could pull a stunt there.

A big mistake. Should've chosen someone like Margalit, Shaffir or even Peretz, just not Herzog.

I think he was risk averse, he can't really pick who it get's to be as only MKs vote to decide, he didn't want any unpleasant surprises happening so early. Plus, Herzog wouldn't steal the spotlight, Margalit and Peretz...
Shaffir is too young to take on such a role

[DavidB.]

What is YB's position on the Western Wall issue?

[Hnv1]

What is YB's position on the Western Wall issue?

YB?

[Santander]

I assume Yisrael Beiteinu?