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« Reply #1200 on: September 19, 2017, 08:14:35 am »
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Are there any other religious groups in Israel that get such a ludicrously unsustainable sweetheart deal?
Cancel the mandatory draft. This deal is sweet only to their politicians and elite, most of those young lads are trapped in a life of poverty due to it.
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« Reply #1201 on: September 27, 2017, 09:04:18 am »
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Elor Azaria's sentence reduced to 14 months by IDF Chief of Staff.
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« Reply #1202 on: September 28, 2017, 03:22:22 pm »
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Elor Azaria's sentence reduced to 14 months by IDF Chief of Staff.
Great news, though it remains a disgrace that he was sentenced for doing his job in the first place.
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« Reply #1203 on: September 28, 2017, 05:56:25 pm »
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Elor Azaria's sentence reduced to 14 months by IDF Chief of Staff.
Great news, though it remains a disgrace that he was sentenced for doing his job in the first place.

This is objectively false because it's not only not his job but also against the rules, but we shouldn't get into that.
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« Reply #1204 on: September 29, 2017, 07:47:53 am »
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Elor Azaria's sentence reduced to 14 months by IDF Chief of Staff.
Great news, though it remains a disgrace that he was sentenced for doing his job in the first place.
This is objectively false because it's not only not his job but also against the rules, but we shouldn't get into that.
I do not deny that it was against the rules of engagement, which reflects badly on these rules of engagement rather than on Azaria, but Israeli soldiers are there to neutralize (preferably once and for all) terrorist threats and keep Israel safe, and that's exactly what Azaria did. Gmar hatima tova.
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« Reply #1205 on: September 29, 2017, 10:01:39 am »
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https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.814579

Elor Azaria's sentence reduced to 14 months by IDF Chief of Staff.
Great news, though it remains a disgrace that he was sentenced for doing his job in the first place.
This is objectively false because it's not only not his job but also against the rules, but we shouldn't get into that.
I do not deny that it was against the rules of engagement, which reflects badly on these rules of engagement rather than on Azaria, but Israeli soldiers are there to neutralize (preferably once and for all) terrorist threats and keep Israel safe, and that's exactly what Azaria did. Gmar hatima tova.
What Azaria did was from the standpoint of neutralizing terrorism counterproductive. It wasn't even whack-a-mole, but whack-a-hydra.
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« Reply #1206 on: September 29, 2017, 03:32:23 pm »
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https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.814579

Elor Azaria's sentence reduced to 14 months by IDF Chief of Staff.
Great news, though it remains a disgrace that he was sentenced for doing his job in the first place.
This is objectively false because it's not only not his job but also against the rules, but we shouldn't get into that.
I do not deny that it was against the rules of engagement, which reflects badly on these rules of engagement rather than on Azaria, but Israeli soldiers are there to neutralize (preferably once and for all) terrorist threats and keep Israel safe, and that's exactly what Azaria did. Gmar hatima tova.

That's nonsense and you know it.
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« Reply #1207 on: October 01, 2017, 04:18:50 pm »
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https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.815170

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Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu apologized Sunday after facing criticism for the fact that neither he nor any members of his cabinet attended the state ceremony for Israel’s fallen in the 1973 Yom Kippur War, held earlier in the day at Jerusalem’s Mount Herzl.

Attendees at the ceremony, which took place in the recently inaugurated Remembrance Hall, included President Reuven Rivlin and Deputy Knesset Speaker for the opposition MK Hilik Bar (Zionist Union). Also in attendance were representatives from the Israel Defense Forces, the Israel Police, the Defense Ministry, the Supreme Court and organizations representing the families of fallen soldiers.



In a statement issued several hours after the ceremony, Netanyahu called the lack of a representative from his cabinet “an unfortunate mistake” and apologized to the bereaved families.

  
“I have instructed the Government Secretariat to see to it that in the future, there will be [government] representation at ceremonies for Israel’s war dead,” Netanyahu said in the statement.

“There is no greater duty than that to our loved ones who died so that we can live in our state,” he added.

 
While the protocol does not require cabinet members to attend, it is notable that no cabinet ministers felt obligated to make an appearance at the sensitive occasion.

For such a notable event in Israeli history, you'd think some Government Minister would attend, even if Netanyahu was unable to.
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« Reply #1208 on: October 03, 2017, 01:12:06 pm »
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MK prof. Trachtenberg and MK Margalit (ZU) both resigned from the Knesset, with the latter it's interesting as he ran for Labour's leadership recently and probably estimated his chances to get in next time as slim.

They will be replaced by some Druze nobody and the deputy mayor of some northern town and the head of the party's women division
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« Reply #1209 on: October 04, 2017, 01:18:08 am »
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MK prof. Trachtenberg and MK Margalit (ZU) both resigned from the Knesset, with the latter it's interesting as he ran for Labour's leadership recently and probably estimated his chances to get in next time as slim.

They will be replaced by some Druze nobody and the deputy mayor of some northern town and the head of the party's women division

Uh, a shame. Margalit was actually good. Some are speculating that he could run for Jerusalem mayor.
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« Reply #1210 on: October 04, 2017, 06:22:38 am »
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MK prof. Trachtenberg and MK Margalit (ZU) both resigned from the Knesset, with the latter it's interesting as he ran for Labour's leadership recently and probably estimated his chances to get in next time as slim.

They will be replaced by some Druze nobody and the deputy mayor of some northern town and the head of the party's women division

Uh, a shame. Margalit was actually good. Some are speculating that he could run for Jerusalem mayor.
Hope so, he could be whatever Barket couldn't, and he might actually improve the situation in Eastern Jerusalem.

Meanwhile in Meretz there will probably be a leadership election after the new convention is elected. Galon vs Gilon vs Dabush is what's shaping out. Galon backed by MKs Rosin and Fregg (and other old guard figures), Gilon is backed by his youth nutters, and Dabush by Zandebreg and her supporters
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« Reply #1211 on: October 04, 2017, 06:31:33 am »
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MK prof. Trachtenberg and MK Margalit (ZU) both resigned from the Knesset, with the latter it's interesting as he ran for Labour's leadership recently and probably estimated his chances to get in next time as slim.

They will be replaced by some Druze nobody and the deputy mayor of some northern town and the head of the party's women division

Uh, a shame. Margalit was actually good. Some are speculating that he could run for Jerusalem mayor.
Hope so, he could be whatever Barket couldn't, and he might actually improve the situation in Eastern Jerusalem.

Meanwhile in Meretz there will probably be a leadership election after the new convention is elected. Galon vs Gilon vs Dabush is what's shaping out. Galon backed by MKs Rosin and Fregg (and other old guard figures), Gilon is backed by his youth nutters, and Dabush by Zandebreg and her supporters

This is surprising. I'd have expected Zandeberg to support Galon, considering she wanted to step down in her favour when Meretz initially got only 4 seats.
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« Reply #1212 on: October 04, 2017, 10:48:36 am »
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MK prof. Trachtenberg and MK Margalit (ZU) both resigned from the Knesset, with the latter it's interesting as he ran for Labour's leadership recently and probably estimated his chances to get in next time as slim.

They will be replaced by some Druze nobody and the deputy mayor of some northern town and the head of the party's women division

Uh, a shame. Margalit was actually good. Some are speculating that he could run for Jerusalem mayor.
Hope so, he could be whatever Barket couldn't, and he might actually improve the situation in Eastern Jerusalem.

Meanwhile in Meretz there will probably be a leadership election after the new convention is elected. Galon vs Gilon vs Dabush is what's shaping out. Galon backed by MKs Rosin and Fregg (and other old guard figures), Gilon is backed by his youth nutters, and Dabush by Zandebreg and her supporters

This is surprising. I'd have expected Zandeberg to support Galon, considering she wanted to step down in her favour when Meretz initially got only 4 seats.
That was more of an honour ritual, they both hold different power bases at the party
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« Reply #1213 on: October 04, 2017, 01:29:47 pm »
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MK prof. Trachtenberg and MK Margalit (ZU) both resigned from the Knesset, with the latter it's interesting as he ran for Labour's leadership recently and probably estimated his chances to get in next time as slim.

They will be replaced by some Druze nobody and the deputy mayor of some northern town and the head of the party's women division

Uh, a shame. Margalit was actually good. Some are speculating that he could run for Jerusalem mayor.
Hope so, he could be whatever Barket couldn't, and he might actually improve the situation in Eastern Jerusalem.

Meanwhile in Meretz there will probably be a leadership election after the new convention is elected. Galon vs Gilon vs Dabush is what's shaping out. Galon backed by MKs Rosin and Fregg (and other old guard figures), Gilon is backed by his youth nutters, and Dabush by Zandebreg and her supporters

should be very interesting/popcorn-worthy.
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« Reply #1214 on: October 18, 2017, 05:59:40 am »
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Zehava Galon resigned from the Knesset but not the chairwoman position, in order to fight to internal battles in the party and change the selection process. Mossi Raz (who is a personal friend and a fine person) will be sworn in as MK, he will probably be the most left wing Jewish MK after the communist Hanin.
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« Reply #1215 on: October 27, 2017, 01:41:00 am »
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I hope that I'm posting this in the right place.

Anyway, a bit off-topic, but out of curiosity--over the next several decades and beyond, do you see Israel accelerating the pace of settlement construction in the West Bank as a way of dealing with its rapidly growing overpopulation problem (assuming that it doesn't make peace with Palestine by that point in time, that is)?
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« Reply #1216 on: October 27, 2017, 07:38:32 am »
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I hope that I'm posting this in the right place.

Anyway, a bit off-topic, but out of curiosity--over the next several decades and beyond, do you see Israel accelerating the pace of settlement construction in the West Bank as a way of dealing with its rapidly growing overpopulation problem (assuming that it doesn't make peace with Palestine by that point in time, that is)?
Why would young people move to the west bank where's there's hardly any employment or cultural events that interest young people? let alone security concerns and other issues.

If anything it could be a way to house young Haredi couple thus making them also invested in the right wing project
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« Reply #1217 on: October 27, 2017, 09:01:17 pm »
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I hope that I'm posting this in the right place.

Anyway, a bit off-topic, but out of curiosity--over the next several decades and beyond, do you see Israel accelerating the pace of settlement construction in the West Bank as a way of dealing with its rapidly growing overpopulation problem (assuming that it doesn't make peace with Palestine by that point in time, that is)?
Why would young people move to the west bank where's there's hardly any employment or cultural events that interest young people? let alone security concerns and other issues.

If anything it could be a way to house young Haredi couple thus making them also invested in the right wing project
For the record, I was thinking more of Haredi Jews moving to the West Bank than young people moving to the West Bank.

However, in regards to the lack of jobs in the West Bank, Israelis who live there could commute to Israel. You're correct about the security problems, though (but it is worth noting that the security situation in Israel and the West Bank right now still appears to be much better than it was between 2000 and 2004).
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« Reply #1218 on: October 28, 2017, 05:26:56 pm »
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@Hnv1- what would you say about the results of the Meretz delegate elections? Which faction should celebrate?
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« Reply #1219 on: October 29, 2017, 03:28:38 am »
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@Hnv1- what would you say about the results of the Meretz delegate elections? Which faction should celebrate?
Haifa/Jerusalem/Tel Aviv have a fifth of the total delegates. From what I saw it’s a standstill, maybe Zandberg increased her strength slightly. Not so sure what’s going to happen when they vote on leadership
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« Reply #1220 on: November 19, 2017, 07:26:14 am »
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A new poll has a united centrist list of Yair Lapid, Finance Minister Moshe Kahlon and former Chief of General Staff Gabi Ashkenazi as the biggest party:

Centrist List- 33 seats
Likud- 26 seats
Zionist Union- 17 seats
United Arab List- 11 seats
Jewish Home- 9 seats
Torah Judaism- 7 seats
Yisrael Beitenu- 7 seats
Meretz- 7 seats
Shas- 3 seats (below the thershold, so the 3 would be distributed between the other parties)

Note that there is no option for a center-left or center-right coalition here- the hypothetical centrist list would obviously have to join the Zionist Union, but then they'd need 11 more for a majority. They can either tack left and join Meretz or tack right and join Yisrael Beitenu, but neither is a majority. Galon and Lieberman absolutely hate each other, so they won't sit together, and I suppose they could join Torah Judaism with Lieberman to have a majority, but many elements in Labour would be very much against it and I doubt the Haredi parties will sit with Lapid. But Likud can't build a coalition here either, so this forces a grand coalition between the Centrists and Likud, probably with Lieberman joining in. I doubt Labour would agree to join that coalition, they'd prefer to be in opposition.

There's also a poll with the current party composition:

Likud- 27
Yesh Atid- 21
Zionist Union- 19
Joint Arab List- 11
Jewish Home- 10
Torah Judaism- 8
Kulanu- 7
Yisrael Beitenu- 7
Meretz- 7
Shas- 3

This doesn't change much, but as terrible as Lapid is, it does seem to improve the center-left's situation, as Likud can't have the same coalition as today. They'd need Shas to pass the thershold to do it (or 2 of Shas' 3 to go to coalition parties, which is certainly possible). Still, the center-left can't build their own coalition here.
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« Reply #1221 on: November 19, 2017, 08:45:29 am »
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Why are Shas polling so badly? Where would their voters even go other than the Likud?
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« Reply #1222 on: November 19, 2017, 08:51:22 am »
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Why are Shas polling so badly? Where would their voters even go other than the Likud?

I doubt (but sincerly hope) that they'll fall below the thershold, but it might be the combination of the split within the Der'i and Yishay wings of the party, combined with the recent criminal invistigations against Der'i. They have a core base of Sephardic Haredi Jews who will always vote for them, but I think they also took many of their voters from a ragtag coalition of loosely traditional to religious Mizrahi right-wingers and even Mizrahi leftists who still imagine Shas as some socialist fighters for Mizarhi Jews. So I guess that the voters leaving them go mostly to Likud, Jewish Home and maybe Avi Gabay's Labour.
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« Reply #1223 on: November 19, 2017, 09:59:42 am »
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^ The biggest cause of the decreased amount of support for Shas, to me, seems Rav Yosef's death, which was always going to affect their numbers and popularity in the long run even if it did not lead to a sudden collapse in the last GE.
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« Reply #1224 on: November 20, 2017, 06:22:35 pm »
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This has probably been asked a million times, but what's the difference between Shas and UTJ?
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