Israel general discussion

[Hnv1]

According to Haaretz, it seems like there's going to be a compromise in Meretz, giving the primaries to the party members rather than making them open, and Zehava Galon will stay on as leader. Also, the article says Gilon opposes the compromise, but that it's very likely to pass in the coming days.
Hnv, am I right to assume that it's a compromise between the Galon and Zandberg wings, ensuring them a majority against the Gilon people?

Indeed, Zandberg personally wanted to side with Galon but some of her ranks are not so keen on her. It will probably pass (as everyone bar for the trots supports the compromise). I actually see no difference between this and the so called open primaries.

Leadership elections will be held in late March and I hope Galon gives Gilon a proper spanking in the general membership (though I do think this should be her last tenure)

[America Needs R'hllor]

According to Haaretz, it seems like there's going to be a compromise in Meretz, giving the primaries to the party members rather than making them open, and Zehava Galon will stay on as leader. Also, the article says Gilon opposes the compromise, but that it's very likely to pass in the coming days.
Hnv, am I right to assume that it's a compromise between the Galon and Zandberg wings, ensuring them a majority against the Gilon people?

Indeed, Zandberg personally wanted to side with Galon but some of her ranks are not so keen on her. It will probably pass (as everyone bar for the trots supports the compromise). I actually see no difference between this and the so called open primaries.

Leadership elections will be held in late March and I hope Galon gives Gilon a proper spanking in the general membership (though I do think this should be her last tenure)

Interesting, I approve. It keeps Galon instead of the socialists and leaves an option for me to vote for if no other party is sufficiently liberal on social issues.

[Famous Mortimer]

According to Haaretz, it seems like there's going to be a compromise in Meretz, giving the primaries to the party members rather than making them open, and Zehava Galon will stay on as leader. Also, the article says Gilon opposes the compromise, but that it's very likely to pass in the coming days.
Hnv, am I right to assume that it's a compromise between the Galon and Zandberg wings, ensuring them a majority against the Gilon people?

Indeed, Zandberg personally wanted to side with Galon but some of her ranks are not so keen on her. It will probably pass (as everyone bar for the trots supports the compromise). I actually see no difference between this and the so called open primaries.

Leadership elections will be held in late March and I hope Galon gives Gilon a proper spanking in the general membership (though I do think this should be her last tenure)

Why would she prefer Zandberg over Gilon? Zandberg seems much closer to her. In fact, what even are the differences between Zandberg and Galon?

[Hnv1]

According to Haaretz, it seems like there's going to be a compromise in Meretz, giving the primaries to the party members rather than making them open, and Zehava Galon will stay on as leader. Also, the article says Gilon opposes the compromise, but that it's very likely to pass in the coming days.
Hnv, am I right to assume that it's a compromise between the Galon and Zandberg wings, ensuring them a majority against the Gilon people?

Indeed, Zandberg personally wanted to side with Galon but some of her ranks are not so keen on her. It will probably pass (as everyone bar for the trots supports the compromise). I actually see no difference between this and the so called open primaries.

Leadership elections will be held in late March and I hope Galon gives Gilon a proper spanking in the general membership (though I do think this should be her last tenure)

Why would she prefer Zandberg over Gilon? Zandberg seems much closer to her. In fact, what even are the differences between Zandberg and Galon?

I didn’t understand the first question.
Zandberg is closer to her but her true second is Rozin, Galon and the feminists will want her to be the leader after Galon while Zandberg has her own ambitions. Zandberg is a tad more socialist and some of her young supporters would rather have Gilon as leader I suspect (Galon isn’t too popular with the youth wing)

[Hnv1]

New poll by the right wing Makor Rishon (grain of salt etc.):
YA - 25 (polls all time high)
Likud - 24
JH - 14
ZU - 12 (ouch)
Joint list - 11
Kulano - 11
UTJ - 7
Meretz - 7
Lieberman - 5 (lmao)
Shas - 4 (lmao #2)

In this case Lapid can form a narrow coalition without JH with 62 seats.

Most fit to be PM:
Bibi - 24% (that’s a low I don’t recall since the mid naughties)
Lapid - 18%
yaalon - 7%
Bennet - 6%
Gabay- 6%
Lieberman - 3% (just retire already you cancerous cell)

[America Needs R'hllor]

New poll by the right wing Makor Rishon (grain of salt etc.):
YA - 25 (polls all time high)
Likud - 24
JH - 14
ZU - 12 (ouch)
Joint list - 11
Kulano - 11
UTJ - 7
Meretz - 7
Lieberman - 5 (lmao)
Shas - 4 (lmao #2)

In this case Lapid can form a narrow coalition without JH with 62 seats.

Most fit to be PM:
Bibi - 24% (that’s a low I don’t recall since the mid naughties)
Lapid - 18%
yaalon - 7%
Bennet - 6%
Gabay- 6%
Lieberman - 3% (just retire already you cancerous cell)

With which parties? The Haredi won't choose him over whoever leads Likud, and Meretz won't sit with Lieberman.

[Hnv1]

New poll by the right wing Makor Rishon (grain of salt etc.):
YA - 25 (polls all time high)
Likud - 24
JH - 14
ZU - 12 (ouch)
Joint list - 11
Kulano - 11
UTJ - 7
Meretz - 7
Lieberman - 5 (lmao)
Shas - 4 (lmao #2)

In this case Lapid can form a narrow coalition without JH with 62 seats.

Most fit to be PM:
Bibi - 24% (that’s a low I don’t recall since the mid naughties)
Lapid - 18%
yaalon - 7%
Bennet - 6%
Gabay- 6%
Lieberman - 3% (just retire already you cancerous cell)

With which parties? The Haredi won't choose him over whoever leads Likud, and Meretz won't sit with Lieberman.

Meretz will sit with Lieberman if he’s not MoD, there will be a grumbling but the desire for 2 ministerial posts and to see Bibi out will overcome them. That government wouldn’t last long anyway, it’s sole purpose will be to bury the conception of Bibi as the sole option.

[DavidB.]

So these 62 seats you mention would be YA, ZU, Kulanu, UTJ and Meretz? A grand coalition led by Lapid with YA, Likud, Kulanu and Lieberman seems a more logical option based on these numbers, though of course the combination of YA and Likud may be difficult (but perhaps not more difficult than getting both the Haredim and Meretz on board).

Also, how is Kulanu still this popular? I didn't think Kachlon had achieved anything?

[Hnv1]

So these 62 seats you mention would be YA, ZU, Kulanu, UTJ and Meretz? A grand coalition led by Lapid with YA, Likud, Kulanu and Lieberman seems a more logical option based on these numbers, though of course the combination of YA and Likud may be difficult (but perhaps not more difficult than getting both the Haredim and Meretz on board).

Also, how is Kulanu still this popular? I didn't think Kachlon had achieved anything?

YA+ZU+Kulanu+Meretz+liberman=60 my bad, he’ll probably have to add Shas in that scenario (it’ll be easier to sit Meretz with Shas than Liberman)
YA+JH+ZU+Kulano= 62 though

Kachlon is an enigma. But he has a clean image so I guess soft Likud voters who feel uncomfortable with Bittan and Bibi’s recent affairs swing to him (plus some appeal with young couples from the new middle class where Gabay thought of making grounds)

[danny]

A poll about whether there should be government that regulates the economy or free market economy without government regulation.

overall 56% support government regulation to 36% free market (8% no opinion), by supporters of each party:
Likud: 59-34-7
Zionist Union: 60-37-3
Yesh Atid: 43-43-13
Kulanu: 43-52-4
Jewish Home: 68-24-8
Haredi parties: 48-41-10
Yisrael Beitenu: 45-50-5
Meretz: 65-27-8

For some they don't list the Joint List, but they do mention that Arabs were 62 for government regulation. Women were more supportive of government regulation than men and there was no correlation with income.

[America Needs R'hllor]

A poll about whether there should be government that regulates the economy or free market economy without government regulation.

overall 56% support government regulation to 36% free market (8% no opinion), by supporters of each party:
Likud: 59-34-7
Zionist Union: 60-37-3
Yesh Atid: 43-43-13
Kulanu: 43-52-4
Jewish Home: 68-24-8
Haredi parties: 48-41-10
Yisrael Beitenu: 45-50-5
Meretz: 65-27-8

For some they don't list the Joint List, but they do mention that Arabs were 62 for government regulation. Women were more supportive of government regulation than men and there was no correlation with income.

This is very interesting.
1. Lol, socialist Likud.
2. Zionist Union voters are just a bit more for regulations than Likud voters. In fact, the difference is probably within the margin of error.
3. How surprising, 13% of Yesh Atid voters don't have any opinion
4. Lol at 41% of Haredi voters supporting free market. Do they not realize that government regulations are the lifeblood of their public and of their politicians' trampling of religious freedom? A free market is a disaster for them, they rely on allowances, affirmative action and heavy funding.

[Hnv1]

A poll about whether there should be government that regulates the economy or free market economy without government regulation.

overall 56% support government regulation to 36% free market (8% no opinion), by supporters of each party:
Likud: 59-34-7
Zionist Union: 60-37-3
Yesh Atid: 43-43-13
Kulanu: 43-52-4
Jewish Home: 68-24-8
Haredi parties: 48-41-10
Yisrael Beitenu: 45-50-5
Meretz: 65-27-8

For some they don't list the Joint List, but they do mention that Arabs were 62 for government regulation. Women were more supportive of government regulation than men and there was no correlation with income.

terrible poll and terrible question framing. Anyway, how shocking is it that Lapid voters have the least interest and knowledge...

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5. JH voters were most for government intervention, despite the fact that Bennet and Shaked are the most outspoken free market voices in government. Bennet even had the party constitution changed so the word 'socialist' was dropped

[America Needs R'hllor]

A poll about whether there should be government that regulates the economy or free market economy without government regulation.

overall 56% support government regulation to 36% free market (8% no opinion), by supporters of each party:
Likud: 59-34-7
Zionist Union: 60-37-3
Yesh Atid: 43-43-13
Kulanu: 43-52-4
Jewish Home: 68-24-8
Haredi parties: 48-41-10
Yisrael Beitenu: 45-50-5
Meretz: 65-27-8

For some they don't list the Joint List, but they do mention that Arabs were 62 for government regulation. Women were more supportive of government regulation than men and there was no correlation with income.

terrible poll and terrible question framing. Anyway, how shocking is it that Lapid voters have the least interest and knowledge...

Do you have a link to that poll? I didn't see a Hebrew version with the questioning etc.

[Hnv1]

A poll about whether there should be government that regulates the economy or free market economy without government regulation.

overall 56% support government regulation to 36% free market (8% no opinion), by supporters of each party:
Likud: 59-34-7
Zionist Union: 60-37-3
Yesh Atid: 43-43-13
Kulanu: 43-52-4
Jewish Home: 68-24-8
Haredi parties: 48-41-10
Yisrael Beitenu: 45-50-5
Meretz: 65-27-8

For some they don't list the Joint List, but they do mention that Arabs were 62 for government regulation. Women were more supportive of government regulation than men and there was no correlation with income.

terrible poll and terrible question framing. Anyway, how shocking is it that Lapid voters have the least interest and knowledge...

Do you have a link to that poll? I didn't see a Hebrew version with the questioning etc.

only the questions as they appeared in the hebrew version on paper

[danny]

A poll about whether there should be government that regulates the economy or free market economy without government regulation.

overall 56% support government regulation to 36% free market (8% no opinion), by supporters of each party:
Likud: 59-34-7
Zionist Union: 60-37-3
Yesh Atid: 43-43-13
Kulanu: 43-52-4
Jewish Home: 68-24-8
Haredi parties: 48-41-10
Yisrael Beitenu: 45-50-5
Meretz: 65-27-8

For some they don't list the Joint List, but they do mention that Arabs were 62 for government regulation. Women were more supportive of government regulation than men and there was no correlation with income.

terrible poll and terrible question framing. Anyway, how shocking is it that Lapid voters have the least interest and knowledge...

Do you have a link to that poll? I didn't see a Hebrew version with the questioning etc.

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[DavidB.]

Not surprised by the Likud numbers at all. Lots of people vote for them because of their nationalism, not because of their economics. Much more surprised by the Jewish Home numbers, but perhaps my view of the JH electorate is colored by thinking of JH voters as rich American olim in Efrat.

Apparently a law by MK Shuli Moalem (JH) was passed that requires a 2/3rd majority in the Knesset to give any parts of Jerusalem to the Palestinians in a 2SS. Which parties voted for this law?

[Hnv1]

Not surprised by the Likud numbers at all. Lots of people vote for them because of their nationalism, not because of their economics. Much more surprised by the Jewish Home numbers, but perhaps my view of the JH electorate is colored by thinking of JH voters as rich American olim in Efrat.

Apparently a law by MK Shuli Moalem (JH) was passed that requires a 2/3rd majority in the Knesset to give any parts of Jerusalem to the Palestinians in a 2SS. Which parties voted for this law?

The coalition parties, it was a change to the Basic Law: Jerusalem that requires a 61 MKs support.

I must say (as probably the only Israeli lawyer here) that I both suspect the law will be unconstitutional come a vote on it (super-majorities and their status are under ambiguity in Israeli law). Secondly, the coalition is simultaneously promoting a law that will tear some Palestinian neighborhoods from the municipality of Jerusalem, if they succeed then this super-majority requirement can be voided in the future. 

[Silent Hunter]

So, Israel basically only wants the Jewish neighbourhoods of Jerusalem?

[Hnv1]

So, Israel basically only wants the Jewish neighbourhoods of Jerusalem?

No. It doesn’t want the refugee camps and neighborhoods in the eastern outskirts. The colonels who drew the lines of what is “Jerusalem” in 67 were very sloppy.

[Silent Hunter]

What do the Palestinians want then?

[Hnv1]

What do the Palestinians want then?

Probably to make such decisions by themselves. It might come as a shock but Palestinian wishes don't have that much significance here.

[Frodo]

The Palestinian people should have said 'yes' when they had the chance....

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NYTimes

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

The Palestinian people should have said 'yes' when they had the chance....

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NYTimes

Trust me, I know.

[Hnv1]

According to Haaretz, it seems like there's going to be a compromise in Meretz, giving the primaries to the party members rather than making them open, and Zehava Galon will stay on as leader. Also, the article says Gilon opposes the compromise, but that it's very likely to pass in the coming days.
Hnv, am I right to assume that it's a compromise between the Galon and Zandberg wings, ensuring them a majority against the Gilon people?

Indeed, Zandberg personally wanted to side with Galon but some of her ranks are not so keen on her. It will probably pass (as everyone bar for the trots supports the compromise). I actually see no difference between this and the so called open primaries.

Leadership elections will be held in late March and I hope Galon gives Gilon a proper spanking in the general membership (though I do think this should be her last tenure)

Interesting, I approve. It keeps Galon instead of the socialists and leaves an option for me to vote for if no other party is sufficiently liberal on social issues.

A compromise was reached. Leadership elections including al the members in late March. Next leader would have a mandate to pick his system

[parochial boy]

Would there ever be any chance of the Joint List propping up a leftist/non-Likud government?

I mean, I assume they are complete untouchables for any formal coalition, but would support from outside the government be a possibility? In which case a non-Likud coalition could govern with less than 60 MKs?

I know there are a few crazies in the Arab parties, but Odeh seems like a pretty reasonable guy.