Israel general discussion

[Famous Mortimer]

Is Gilon more hawkish/less of a peacenik than the other candidates? I remember that has been the way with more socialist candidates for Meretz leadership in the past.

[Silent Hunter]

The Tankie?

[Hnv1]

Is Gilon more hawkish/less of a peacenik than the other candidates? I remember that has been the way with more socialist candidates for Meretz leadership in the past.

You could say. He’s ofc 2SS supporter, but he opposed protests against military operations in Gaza. He doesn’t talk about the Palestinian issue that much

[Lourdes]

So Galon is basically like the Meretz equivalent to Hillary Clinton, and Gilon is more like Bernie Sanders?

[Hnv1]

So Galon is basically like the Meretz equivalent to Hillary Clinton, and Gilon is more like Bernie Sanders?

I don't see in what way bar for the fact that Gilon is a Marxist and Galon isn't.

Maariv poll
YA - 27
Likud - 22
ZU - 14
JH - 13
JL - 11
kulano - 9
UTJ - 8
Meretz - 7
YB - 5
Shas - 4

YA+ZU+Kulano+Meretz= 57. With YB he's got a coalition

[Silent Hunter]

Would that coalition work for the two state solution?

[Hnv1]

Would that coalition work for the two state solution?

On paper yes, all parties support it. The likelihood an airhead like Lapid could negotiate something bigger than a car sale is slim though, especially with Gabay and Lieberman firing populist spins at him throughout

[Famous Mortimer]

So Galon is basically like the Meretz equivalent to Hillary Clinton, and Gilon is more like Bernie Sanders?

Yes. Absolutely.

[Tintrlvr]

So Galon is basically like the Meretz equivalent to Hillary Clinton, and Gilon is more like Bernie Sanders?

Gilon is way, way to Sanders's left, much closer to traditional communist economic views than most self-declared socialists are today (while Sanders is on the right of socialism). And Galon is well left of Hillary Clinton, probably closer economically to Sanders. Meretz in general is far to the left of the Democratic Party (it is, after all, a party that could command no more than maybe 10% of the vote in Israel at absolute maximum, the total it got at its peak in 1992).

[America Needs R'hllor]

So Galon is basically like the Meretz equivalent to Hillary Clinton, and Gilon is more like Bernie Sanders?

Yes. Absolutely.

You can't really speak with this confidence about something so subjective.

Also, Hnv1, thanks for the info post, it was very intersting!

[Famous Mortimer]

If Bernie Sanders lived in Israel, he would be in Likud.

[America Needs R'hllor]

If Bernie Sanders lived in Israel, he would be in Likud.

...That is quite clearly wrong.

[Famous Mortimer]

If Bernie Sanders lived in Israel, he would be in Likud.

...That is quite clearly wrong.

I'm joking. I'm making fun of the idea that you can't compare Sanders to Gilon because Israel is more to the economically to the left.

There's a very clear parallel between them even if they don't match up EXACTLY.

When the Sanders campaign was going on, people used to despute the idea that you could compare Sanders to Melenchon or Corbyn because they were further to the left (which is true but pedantic).

[Hnv1]

a 5th contender stepped in, Avi Buskila, the chairman of Peace Now and a gay Sephardi. I have doubts that he will run all the way or that he's not managed somehow by Galon but I'll review him anyway. Some reporter is claiming Maj. Gen. Noam Tibon is also considering a run.

The New Comer - Avi Buskila

age: 42

education: couldn't find anything official, but I assume he has BA in some nonsense

ticket: veteran combat officer, dovish, eloquent speaker, gay and Sephardi - the new thing

probable strategy - bite of Zandberg as young and hip, bite of Dabush as Sephardi, bite of Galon as Dovish. Bite of everybody for being a good orator and fierce in criticism of the right. bite of the gays for being well gay. he'll try to get as many free voters registered and hope for the best.
He could be considered a bit to the right as he is a self proclaimed Zionist and probably has some stronger affinity to Judaism.
*I think it's a spin by Galon to broaden the debate and show how the primaries are a good thing, he'll quit before the end and run for the list next time
**interestingly he's the partner of former MK Horowitz longtime CoS

Weaknesses - new comer, the field is already quite packed

Strengths - great orator, has some good social media buzz behind him

My personal impression - never met him, he's a great speaker and will be a good addition to the party, not as a leader though

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former MK Ran Cohen endorses Zandberg (she was his aide). former Chairman Beilin also supports her, though he's not so popular so I don't see much help there.

[Kingpoleon]

Sounds like someone Zandberg would like - young, socially liberal, great speaker...

Any chance that he comes in third?

[Hnv1]

Sounds like someone Zandberg would like - young, socially liberal, great speaker...

Any chance that he comes in third?

Can’t see it. Too late. But he could nick 4th a d definitely get on the list before the GE

[America Needs R'hllor]

How come he's comparably right wing? Isn't Peace Now extremely dovish?

[Hnv1]

How come he's comparably right wing? Isn't Peace Now extremely dovish?

Not extremely as compared to Betzelem or Yesh Din who’s members are also in Meretz. Peace now historically sat on the left of Labour and the Right of Meretz

[DavidB.]

YA+ZU+Kulano+Meretz= 57. With YB he's got a coalition

This... doesn't sound bad.

[Hnv1]

YA+ZU+Kulano+Meretz= 57. With YB he's got a coalition

This... doesn't sound bad.

Who are you and what have you done to David?

[Hnv1]

I know most posters don't care, but as other political news are quite boring (until the police finally concludes the Bibi investigations) I'll just keep updating on the primaries

- In order to allow as many voters to participate the set date for voters registration is next month. Zandberg, Dabush, and Buskila all claim to have registered a lot of voters. I tend to believe them though they may exaggerate on numbers (Zandberg claimed 1K).

- Avi Dabush has the backing and supports the 2 states 1 homeland movement which basically supports one confederation from the river to the sea. That's a shift from the classic 2 state solution.

[sverkol]

the meretz party primary really intresting,as a labour member i considering to cancel my labour membarship and registar as a meretz member and voting for tamar znazberg.
tamar is great-she is pro Legalization of marijuana,pro Freedom from religion and i think this is the way that meretz should go,the Legalization thing alone worth At least two Mandates.                     
  but i also want to replace the disaster who called avi gabay so it is a tough choice.

[Hnv1]

the meretz party primary really intresting,as a labour member i considering to cancel my labour membarship and registar as a meretz member and voting for tamar znazberg.
tamar is great-she is pro Legalization of marijuana,pro Freedom from religion and i think this is the way that meretz should go,the Legalization thing alone worth At least two Mandates.                     
  but i also want to replace the disaster who called avi gabay so it is a tough choice.

Gabay won’t stand for re-election until 18 months past the next General Election

[sverkol]

the meretz party primary really intresting,as a labour member i considering to cancel my labour membarship and registar as a meretz member and voting for tamar znazberg.
tamar is great-she is pro Legalization of marijuana,pro Freedom from religion and i think this is the way that meretz should go,the Legalization thing alone worth At least two Mandates.                     
  but i also want to replace the disaster who called avi gabay so it is a tough choice.

Gabay won’t stand for re-election until 18 months past the next General Election

Unless the Labour Party Conference will imeach him and called for another primary like they did to Benjamin ben Eliezer

[Hnv1]

the meretz party primary really intresting,as a labour member i considering to cancel my labour membarship and registar as a meretz member and voting for tamar znazberg.
tamar is great-she is pro Legalization of marijuana,pro Freedom from religion and i think this is the way that meretz should go,the Legalization thing alone worth At least two Mandates.                     
  but i also want to replace the disaster who called avi gabay so it is a tough choice.

Gabay won’t stand for re-election until 18 months past the next General Election

Unless the Labour Party Conference will imeach him and called for another primary like they did to Benjamin ben Eliezer

There’s absolutely no way this happens.