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« Reply #1575 on: May 17, 2018, 01:25:00 PM »

Statistics about birth rates in Israel are always iffy because they are so politically charged, but I found this article to be quite informative. It's definitely not just Arabs and Haredim (whose birthrate has actually declined over the previous decades, rapidly in the first case).

Thanks for this – it's a great article.
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« Reply #1576 on: May 17, 2018, 01:29:41 PM »

Statistics about birth rates in Israel are always iffy because they are so politically charged, but I found this article to be quite informative. It's definitely not just Arabs and Haredim (whose birthrate has actually declined over the previous decades, rapidly in the first case).

This is a very good article, though with all the interesting information it brings, it fails to acknowledge the fact that, with all that, a 2-state solution is still necessary because the existence of millions of Palestinians in the West Bank is not a demographic prediction- it's the situation right now. If we were to annex them like our right-wing wants, there would be no decisive Jewish majority.
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« Reply #1577 on: May 17, 2018, 08:15:34 PM »

Statistics about birth rates in Israel are always iffy because they are so politically charged, but I found this article to be quite informative. It's definitely not just Arabs and Haredim (whose birthrate has actually declined over the previous decades, rapidly in the first case).

This is a very good article, though with all the interesting information it brings, it fails to acknowledge the fact that, with all that, a 2-state solution is still necessary because the existence of millions of Palestinians in the West Bank is not a demographic prediction- it's the situation right now. If we were to annex them like our right-wing wants, there would be no decisive Jewish majority.

What the Israeli right wing appears to want is to make the Palestinians on the West Bank so miserable that they'll leave.  A soft ethnic cleansing rather than a hard one seems to be their goal based on what they do. 
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« Reply #1578 on: May 18, 2018, 04:24:53 AM »

The historical fact is that minorities always get discriminated against.
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« Reply #1579 on: May 21, 2018, 07:57:00 PM »

Statistics about birth rates in Israel are always iffy because they are so politically charged, but I found this article to be quite informative. It's definitely not just Arabs and Haredim (whose birthrate has actually declined over the previous decades, rapidly in the first case).

tl;dr Arab stats of course lie but Israeli stats of course don't; the government funds endless fertility treatment and unlike in silly Europe, Israel can take land from other countries if they run out.
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« Reply #1580 on: May 21, 2018, 08:21:24 PM »

Statistics about birth rates in Israel are always iffy because they are so politically charged, but I found this article to be quite informative. It's definitely not just Arabs and Haredim (whose birthrate has actually declined over the previous decades, rapidly in the first case).
tl;dr Arab stats of course lie but Israeli stats of course don't; the government funds endless fertility treatment and unlike in silly Europe, Israel can take land from other countries if they run out.
It is indeed clear that you "dr" it if you think this is what the article said; either that, or your reading comprehension skills are incredibly poor. It is especially amazing how you claim I (or the article) says that "Israeli stats of course don't [lie]" when I point out in my own post that "statistics about birth rates in Israel are always iffy." Obviously the last part of your post is a blatant lie too, but don't let facts get in the way of your antisemitism I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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« Reply #1581 on: May 21, 2018, 08:38:37 PM »

You were correct to raise the issues with fertility rates, and the article should have noted likewise.

You need to get real if you don't think much about the role of settlements in Israel life.
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« Reply #1582 on: May 21, 2018, 08:45:06 PM »

Yeah, I know nothing about the settlements. Never been there, never stayed there, never spent any time there...

Begone, troll.
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« Reply #1583 on: May 25, 2018, 11:35:06 PM »

The historical fact is that minorities always get discriminated against.
Not true - Al-Andalus for example.
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« Reply #1584 on: May 26, 2018, 03:41:02 AM »

Statistics about birth rates in Israel are always iffy because they are so politically charged, but I found this article to be quite informative. It's definitely not just Arabs and Haredim (whose birthrate has actually declined over the previous decades, rapidly in the first case).
tl;dr Arab stats of course lie but Israeli stats of course don't; the government funds endless fertility treatment and unlike in silly Europe, Israel can take land from other countries if they run out.
It is indeed clear that you "dr" it if you think this is what the article said; either that, or your reading comprehension skills are incredibly poor. It is especially amazing how you claim I (or the article) says that "Israeli stats of course don't [lie]" when I point out in my own post that "statistics about birth rates in Israel are always iffy." Obviously the last part of your post is a blatant lie too, but don't let facts get in the way of your antisemitism I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You're such a joke
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« Reply #1585 on: May 26, 2018, 10:23:53 AM »

The historical fact is that minorities always get discriminated against.
Not true - Al-Andalus for example.

Non-Muslims in Muslim Spain were de jure second class citizens, more discriminated against than modern Israeli Arabs.

If you want an example of a minority that's not discriminated against: Modern Japanese people in  present day America.
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« Reply #1586 on: May 26, 2018, 11:16:11 AM »

If you want an example of a minority that's not discriminated against: Modern Japanese people in  present day America.

But not of course in the past.
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« Reply #1587 on: May 27, 2018, 06:36:22 PM »

If you want an example of a minority that's not discriminated against: Modern Japanese people in  present day America.

But not of course in the past.

Other example: Whites in most of Latin America
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« Reply #1588 on: June 03, 2018, 06:19:12 PM »

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-44343263

Really depressing.
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« Reply #1589 on: June 04, 2018, 08:13:51 AM »

It's weird that the BBC never covers the swastika kites, right?  You'd think that would be an interesting part of the story, but perhaps it doesn't fit with their greater agenda here?
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« Reply #1590 on: June 04, 2018, 01:42:16 PM »

How dare they cover an actual killing by a government instead of kites by god knows who.
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« Reply #1591 on: June 04, 2018, 02:18:36 PM »

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« Reply #1592 on: June 05, 2018, 09:06:24 AM »

How dare they cover an actual killing by a government instead of kites by god knows who.
The version of BBC you see only covers deaths?  That's weird.  Mine doesn't.
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« Reply #1593 on: June 09, 2018, 04:23:33 AM »

Netanyahu and Likud getting a boost from Trump's Iran Deal decision. Bleh. I was hoping I'd get to see a left-wing government this decade, I guess not.

At least one good thing, though; if Levy-Abekasis and her party continue to rise, Liberman and his goons may fall below the threshold. Hopefully she refuses to work with Netayahu.

Heh, unlikely. My only hope is that Netanyahu gets indicted and his spell gets broken.
It's not going to be soon since "Attorney General" Mandelbit is Netayhau's freind.

I have a question, if Israel used FPTP do you think Bibi would still be PM or would he be defeated . Also how do you think the next election with FPTP would go

On current polls it's hard to see Bibi losing under any system, but in general it would depends on which parties would run and which parties would merge.
Amir Peretz could dafeat Bibi but he was too Sephardic,too Socialist and too Leftie for the avreage Labour member.
Now we are stuck with the curropt Likud Government.
There is an intersting option that MK Meirav Micaheli suggested to kibbutz members: https://twitter.com/RotterNews/status/1004958456514826240
We can join to the Likud (להתפקד) and influence their list.
https://www.likud.org.il/images/documents/register-to-likud.pdf
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« Reply #1594 on: June 09, 2018, 09:52:15 AM »

Halt UK arms trade with Israel while UN investigates Gaza killings

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/07/halt-uk-arms-trade-with-israel-while-un-investigates-gaza-killings
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« Reply #1595 on: June 09, 2018, 03:55:13 PM »


I'm hardly a rabid defender of Israeli policy concerning occupied Palestine, but there's no good way for the IDF to distinguish teenagers from adults during a demonstration that comes too close to the border.  Also, given the use that Hamas makes of materials that do get into Gaza, it's perfectly understandable why Israel has such tight restrictions.  Yes, the Israelis have made a number of bone-headed mistakes that are part of the reason the Mideast is in the mess it is in, but that doesn't mean it can't address legitimate security issues.  It does need to address any mistakes or excesses in the implementation of how it chooses to address those issues, but I have no complaint about the general decisions Israel has made with respect to the demonstrations or the import restrictions on Gaza.
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« Reply #1596 on: June 09, 2018, 04:28:36 PM »

Also, it was less a demonstration and more a riot. Well, a demo further back and a riot up near the fence.

A lot of stuff that Israel does isn't very nice, but you can understand why they do it.
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« Reply #1597 on: June 18, 2018, 05:46:27 PM »

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-44520850

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Given Segev has been out of Government since 1995, what information could he have to give away?
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« Reply #1598 on: June 19, 2018, 08:06:30 AM »

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Given Segev has been out of Government since 1995, what information could he have to give away?
He’s a joke, 15 years ago he was caught smuggling 35K ecstasy pills...

Anyway the only concern is the information regarding the energy infrastructure (pipeline locations and something delicate that goes off radar for nearly 50 years now) and some cabinet procedures that hadn’t changed
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« Reply #1599 on: June 19, 2018, 08:08:22 AM »

He’s a joke, 15 years ago he was caught smuggling 35K ecstasy pills...
Pretty funny how he used to be energy minister and then moved to a different way to provide Israelis with more energy.
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