Israel general discussion

[Kingpoleon]

Labour Leadership primaries will take place tomorrow. We are now down to 7 contenders and 5 big ones so I will refer to it as the war of the five beggar kings. I anticipate Peretz to make it to the second round the rest is too fuzzy to determine. The amount of energy spent on this campaign was incredible considering the party is dying. Results will be announced tomorrow night.

Meretz convention rejected a proposal to move into an open primaries system (US style) and the decision to call an early leadership election was rejected by the party's tribunal as unconstitutional. Gilon and his followers demand Galon to resign.

Party politics elsewhere is in a slumber.

I endorse Margalit tomorrow and call for him to break away with Livni to join Galon in some new Liberal-progressive bloc (let Peretz and Gilon build their 1950's socialist party)

Yeah, I'm voting for Margalit tomorrow.
Also, polls sent to Labour members in the last few days were absolutely hilarious: in one occasion, they sent the results of a 'final poll', then sent them again with a correction, then sent them again with ANOTHER correction. And then it happened with yet another 'poll', this time only one correction.

Is Margalit the most moderate?

[Kingpoleon]

Labour Leadership primaries will take place tomorrow. We are now down to 7 contenders and 5 big ones so I will refer to it as the war of the five beggar kings. I anticipate Peretz to make it to the second round the rest is too fuzzy to determine. The amount of energy spent on this campaign was incredible considering the party is dying. Results will be announced tomorrow night.

Meretz convention rejected a proposal to move into an open primaries system (US style) and the decision to call an early leadership election was rejected by the party's tribunal as unconstitutional. Gilon and his followers demand Galon to resign.

Party politics elsewhere is in a slumber.

I endorse Margalit tomorrow and call for him to break away with Livni to join Galon in some new Liberal-progressive bloc (let Peretz and Gilon build their 1950's socialist party)

Yeah, I'm voting for Margalit tomorrow.
Also, polls sent to Labour members in the last few days were absolutely hilarious: in one occasion, they sent the results of a 'final poll', then sent them again with a correction, then sent them again with ANOTHER correction. And then it happened with yet another 'poll', this time only one correction.

Is Margalit the most moderate?

As my old philosophy professor would have said, moderate is a concept with the extension of the empty set in Israel. I assume you're referring to dovish

And David, I do not believe in this great social injustice (data clearly points the other way), but I guess Ben Zaken is closest to what you're looking for (in Labour)

I was actually referring to economics, as the two state solution is rather complicated, but I doubt Labour will ever be too pro-Palestine for me.

[Kingpoleon]

I'm certainly rooting for Gabay now, as a supporter of Kulanu, Yesh Atid, and Hatnuah. Of the three, I prefer Yesh Atid.

[Kingpoleon]

Poll of Labour's cadre:
Gabay 22%
Peretz 21%
Margalit 10%
Bar Lev 10%
Herzog 7% (lol)
Undecided 29%

Second round
Gabay 55%
Peretz 45%

Shame on margalit but at least Peretz misses out

This poll, when you take out undecideds from the overall percentage, was rather accurate for the first round.

[Kingpoleon]

Weird, 2 Sephardic Jews running against each other in the Labor run-off. This is a bit like if the two main contenders for the GOP nomination were Herman Cain and Ben Carson. Well, probably not that weird, but a little weird.

I wonder if (Ashkenazi) turn out will be hurt as a result. Presumably the Ashkeanzis that do turn out will all support Gabay.

...No. If that were true, Gabay would win by a landslide. Ashkenazis are not white voters from Mississippi or something.
As for the turnour, I think there will be an overall decrease because some Herzog, Margalit or Bar Lev (lol) supporters will not bother voting, but I doubt that any Ashkenazi other than a few old racists care about the Labour candidate being sephardic.

Please don't tell me this is a common view of Mississippi whites worldwide.

[Kingpoleon]

Weird.

It seems like Gabbay is getting the more economically left-wing MKs and Peretz is getting the more economically right-wing MKs, which is the exact opposite of what I would have expected based on past information.

Am I reading this right? Or is everyone going to jump on me and say "ECONOMICS ARE A NON-ISSUE IN ISRAEL!" and it's purely a matter of establishment vs. anti-establishment?

I find this to be an interesting question.

Does anyone have a good answer?

[Kingpoleon]

Parrotguy, do you think the next election will see a coalition of Zionist Union, Kulanu, and Yesh Atid? Or would Meretz probably have to be included?

[Kingpoleon]

Parrotguy, do you think the next election will see a coalition of Zionist Union, Kulanu, and Yesh Atid? Or would Meretz probably have to be included?

Nope, this won't hurt Netanyahu. I believe he's going to be indicted soon, so the likeliest scenario in the next election is another Likud coalition, probably with a different leader. But I just felt so much disgust when I saw people who claim to be the most zionist in the world fail so much at disavowing Nazis out of pure political interest.

Ze'ev Elkin, Tzachi Hanegbi, Avi Dichter, Miri Regev, or Nir Barkat are my ideal choices to replace Netanyahu, though I suspect Erdan or Edelstein will succeed Netanyahu.

[Kingpoleon]

Parrotguy, do you think the next election will see a coalition of Zionist Union, Kulanu, and Yesh Atid? Or would Meretz probably have to be included?

Nope, this won't hurt Netanyahu. I believe he's going to be indicted soon, so the likeliest scenario in the next election is another Likud coalition, probably with a different leader. But I just felt so much disgust when I saw people who claim to be the most zionist in the world fail so much at disavowing Nazis out of pure political interest.

Ze'ev Elkin, Tzachi Hanegbi, Avi Dichter, Miri Regev, or Nir Barkat are my ideal choices to replace Netanyahu, though I suspect Erdan or Edelstein will succeed Netanyahu.

You truly want Prime Minister Miri Regev? She's the complete opposite of most politicians you seem to support. That would really make me start planning how to immigrate.

I don't support her at all on immigration or Palestine, but so many other issues come into play when dealing with a party as bad as Likud. If Likud were to elect a female who supports SSM and LGBT+ rights, I truly believe it would keep the... worse elements of Likud from stepping forwards.

[Kingpoleon]

Parrotguy, do you think the next election will see a coalition of Zionist Union, Kulanu, and Yesh Atid? Or would Meretz probably have to be included?

Nope, this won't hurt Netanyahu. I believe he's going to be indicted soon, so the likeliest scenario in the next election is another Likud coalition, probably with a different leader. But I just felt so much disgust when I saw people who claim to be the most zionist in the world fail so much at disavowing Nazis out of pure political interest.

Ze'ev Elkin, Tzachi Hanegbi, Avi Dichter, Miri Regev, or Nir Barkat are my ideal choices to replace Netanyahu, though I suspect Erdan or Edelstein will succeed Netanyahu.

You truly want Prime Minister Miri Regev? She's the complete opposite of most politicians you seem to support. That would really make me start planning how to immigrate.

I don't support her at all on immigration or Palestine, but so many other issues come into play when dealing with a party as bad as Likud. If Likud were to elect a female who supports SSM and LGBT+ rights, I truly believe it would keep the... worse elements of Likud from stepping forwards.

Regev IS the worst elements, a populist loudmouth who basically wears a personality which, as she herself admitted, appeals to the "warm Likud members". Her allegedly moderate position on LGBT rights is shared by many Likud members, and like all of them, including MK Amir Ohana (who's gay himself), she never votes or does anything substantial to help the LGBT community. She's a fraud and in my opinion would be worse than Trump.

She's the highest ranking member I know of to support LGBT rights, and she's not an "old guard" extremist.

[Kingpoleon]

An Old Guard person in America is typically someone who vehemently defends the policies of the past, and is typically advanced in years. An Old Guard extremist would be someone like Robert Taft or Walter Judd in the 1960s.

[Kingpoleon]

Sounds like someone Zandberg would like - young, socially liberal, great speaker...

Any chance that he comes in third?

[Kingpoleon]

MK Alalouf (Kulano) announced he's retiring before the next elections. he did not get on well with Kachlon.

Boogie Yaalon is in a pickle, he's new platform he's not lifting off and he gave an interview this weekend that made him look like a complete fraud. PM hopes would have to wait

Speaker of the house Edelstein (likud) was caught on tape criticizing Bibi's leadership and half the MKs in Likud. He's actually quite popular with the grassroots and was rumored to be thinking of leadership himself. Interesting.

Sarah Netanyahu. Well finally after all this years a tape of her in one of her famous tantrums was released. as expected she sounds quite mental.

I edited the original post on the candidates in the Meretz primaries as 2 fringe candidates join in the last week or so.

Edelstein criticized Netanyahu?

Oh boy. He must be pretty sure of himself to do so.

[Kingpoleon]

Pretty sure Edelstein and Benny Begin want a “Confederation” that separates Jews and Arabs/Palestinians.

[Kingpoleon]

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Yeah, but it’s not the stupidest idea for Israel and Palestine.

[Kingpoleon]

Could we take a moment to talk about how Parrotguy supports BLM but thinks Women at the Wall is too in-your-face?

[Kingpoleon]

Getting angry and militant unfortunately tends to get you killed when facing superior force.

Also, Gaza is geniuenly a place with potential. If Hamas hadn't spent all the the support and money they received on weapons meant to murder Israeli citizens, Gaza could've been a good place to live. So if the answer to that is spending more money on getting angry and militant and murdering Israelis, what should Israel do?
Yeah, I agree with you- the settlements are much, much harder to justify.

Would you support the handing over of roads, water/electronic necessities, and settlements to Palestine?
This map is unacceptable.

I support the right of Israel to exist and I support the rights of Palestinians. Peace must be sustained and democracy normalized for Israelis and Palestinians alike.