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Question: Which of the Traditional Values Coalition's 8 platform planks do you support?
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Right to life (against abortion and euthanasia)
 
#2
Sexual fidelity in marriage and abstinence before marriage
 
#3
Opposition to homosexuality and other "deviant sexual behaviors"
 
#4
Opposition to pornography
 
#5
Patriotism (supporting national boundaries, the Armed Forces, political participation, free enterprise, limited government, low taxes, personal responsibility, and Christian America as the New Israel of God's Covenant to His People)
 
#6
Opposition to "liberal" immigration reform (reform without first securing the U.S.-Mexico border)
 
#7
Freedom of Christians attempt to convert non-Christians
 
#8
Addictive behaviors (with opposition to gambling, the legalization of addictive drugs, alcohol, and smoking)
 
#9
NOTA
 
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« Reply #50 on: May 31, 2012, 04:45:33 PM »

Only the freedom of Christians to attempt to convert non-Christians -- I am actually Jewish, but I believe proselytizing, while annoying, is nevertheless an example of free speech.
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« Reply #51 on: June 02, 2012, 12:44:36 PM »

Only #7, which is already constitutionally protected.
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« Reply #52 on: September 29, 2018, 11:11:13 PM »

1, first half of 2, and 7.
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« Reply #53 on: September 29, 2018, 11:51:31 PM »

On a personal level, all 8.

With regards to "opposition to homosexuality", this means, to me, recognizing from a perspective of religious conscience that homosexuality is a sinful deviation from God's intention for us to be fruitful and multiply. However, this does not mean, in any way, that I have a personal animus towards homosexuals, and I always try to treat all people with dignity and respect.
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« Reply #54 on: September 30, 2018, 12:57:08 AM »

Exactly one: Freedom of Christians attempt to convert non-Christians
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« Reply #55 on: September 30, 2018, 01:19:26 AM »

Exactly one: Freedom of Christians attempt to convert non-Christians
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« Reply #56 on: September 30, 2018, 04:04:17 AM »

None, all are disgusting to me. And "Freedom of Christian missionary" is bad too because it implies freedom only for them and excessive freedom that would include harrassing people. No thank you.
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« Reply #57 on: September 30, 2018, 04:35:16 AM »

NOTA.
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« Reply #58 on: September 30, 2018, 07:11:49 AM »

Kinda 1, 2, 4, kinda 5, 6, 7
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« Reply #59 on: September 30, 2018, 07:59:11 AM »
« Edited: September 30, 2018, 08:06:19 AM by Judge Jellybean »





What does that even mean? If it is protecting free speech in a way that doesn't limit the speech of others? Sure.If it is teacher led prayer or maybe allowing  the literal interpretation of the Bible in public school science class, then I am in opposition.


Does 1 include the death penalty? What is "euthanasia"? Does it mean that everyone who needs care must receive care until they die? Does euthanasia include euthanizing murderers?

And that's just one thing.


A lot of this stuff isn't even discussed in the Bible. This is just virtue signaling and identity politics at its finest.
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« Reply #60 on: September 30, 2018, 08:20:07 AM »

I think society should tackle addictive behaviours, although with presumably different methods to that of the TVC.
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« Reply #61 on: September 30, 2018, 08:21:17 AM »

I think society should tackle addictive behaviours, although with presumably different methods to that of the TVC.

I agree, but considering illegal marijuana is one of the main planks here, nope.
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« Reply #62 on: September 30, 2018, 08:26:10 AM »

Problem with number 7 is that with unrestrited rights to proselytising, you have the potential to exploit those who are most vulnerable.

I mean, I used to wonder why it seemed that Jehovas Witnesses and assorted other cults' temples seemed to congregate around universities. And then I realised, where else do you have a populiation of potentially isolated/lonely/homesick/anxious young people ripe for the picking?

it's not an especially comforting thought tbh
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« Reply #63 on: September 30, 2018, 09:54:33 AM »

A few of these I partially adhere to in my personal life, but none as political principles, so I voted NOTA.
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« Reply #64 on: September 30, 2018, 09:57:55 AM »

Exactly one: Freedom of Christians attempt to convert non-Christians

This.

Fidelity in marriage is also I personally like but feel isn't something the state should be in charge of. Plus abstinence before marriage is dumb IMO.
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« Reply #65 on: September 30, 2018, 10:20:34 AM »

1, 2, 4, 7, 8, and chunks of 5.
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« Reply #66 on: September 30, 2018, 10:41:08 AM »

None, but I partially agree with all of them except 3.
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« Reply #67 on: September 30, 2018, 10:52:15 AM »

Problem with number 7 is that with unrestrited rights to proselytising, you have the potential to exploit those who are most vulnerable.

I mean, I used to wonder why it seemed that Jehovas Witnesses and assorted other cults' temples seemed to congregate around universities. And then I realised, where else do you have a populiation of potentially isolated/lonely/homesick/anxious young people ripe for the picking?

it's not an especially comforting thought tbh

But non-"unrestricted" proselytization violates the First Amendment and presumably any other Western democracy's equivalent. Also not sure how to limit it in even ignoring that. Should it be illegal to invite a friend to go to church with you?

BTW you also explained why hipster Christianity grows so fast with its demographic.
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« Reply #68 on: September 30, 2018, 10:52:45 AM »

On a personal level, all 8.

With regards to "opposition to homosexuality", this means, to me, recognizing from a perspective of religious conscience that homosexuality is a sinful deviation from God's intention for us to be fruitful and multiply. However, this does not mean, in any way, that I have a personal animus towards homosexuals, and I always try to treat all people with dignity and respect.

If that is God's intention, why did he make some people infertile?
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« Reply #69 on: September 30, 2018, 12:02:33 PM »

6-8. Thought I agreed with 5 until I read "Christian America as the New Israel of God's Covenant to His People." I'm still very pro-patriotism, just...no.

I am pro-choice but wary of euthanasia. I have sympathies towards #2.
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« Reply #70 on: September 30, 2018, 12:23:21 PM »

Holy necroposting, Batman!  Still, I'll repeat what I said before.

I suspect by plank #7 they mean trying to influence Muslim countries to allow Christian proselytism.  However since they don't phrase it as a general right for all religions to proselytize, I didn't check it.
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« Reply #71 on: September 30, 2018, 12:26:50 PM »

On a personal level, all 8.

With regards to "opposition to homosexuality", this means, to me, recognizing from a perspective of religious conscience that homosexuality is a sinful deviation from God's intention for us to be fruitful and multiply. However, this does not mean, in any way, that I have a personal animus towards homosexuals, and I always try to treat all people with dignity and respect.

If that is God's intention, why did he make some people infertile?

God, in his infinite wisdom, has plans for each of our lives and challenges some spiritually more than others. Infertility certainly leads to suffering among many, yet it is a call for those who are its victims to develop an even closer relationship to God. As the Church (I'm Catholic) said in the document Donum Vitae (The Gift of Life), "The community of believers is called to shed light upon and support the suffering of those who are unable to fulfill their legitimate aspiration to motherhood and fatherhood. Spouses who find themselves in this sad situation are called to find in it an opportunity for sharing in a particular way in the Lord’s Cross, the source of spiritual fruitfulness."

 Homosexual acts, unlike infertility, are a conscious decision to do something contrary to the will of God, whereas with an infertile couple, that is not the case.
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« Reply #72 on: September 30, 2018, 12:57:15 PM »

None.
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« Reply #73 on: September 30, 2018, 01:31:15 PM »

Problem with number 7 is that with unrestrited rights to proselytising, you have the potential to exploit those who are most vulnerable.

I mean, I used to wonder why it seemed that Jehovas Witnesses and assorted other cults' temples seemed to congregate around universities. And then I realised, where else do you have a populiation of potentially isolated/lonely/homesick/anxious young people ripe for the picking?

it's not an especially comforting thought tbh

keeping people from reaching out to isolated/lonely/homesick/anxious young people is a cure worse than the disease.
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« Reply #74 on: September 30, 2018, 01:49:21 PM »

Freedom to evangelize is protected by the Free Speech clause.  Of course I support that, although it would be a total waste of time to hit up me. Well maybe not. I have had some interesting conversations with some. The rest are no, just no.
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