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Huckleberry Finn
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« on: April 30, 2004, 04:04:55 AM »
« edited: May 01, 2004, 05:04:30 PM by Huckleberry Finn »

I have got enough about Finnish public health care system. Few days ago I noticed itching and in one of my mole. As women usually my wife feared worst (skin cancer in this case) and I called to the public healthcare station.  They said that it would take a week to get general doctor. A week!! Then I called to the health station of my university. Three weeks! Then I called a private clinic. I got reservation for specialist in two days. (She said that there is NO signs of cancer. A bill was just 50 euros)

Al, It was hard to believed that the public healthcare in England could be better than private. It just sounds impossibility. Have other British member any view?

I still tend to favour idea of the universal healthcare. But I strongly support a solution where it is produced by private companies. In Finland we are moving more and more toward this model. People use more and more private sector. Sooner and later that will force the government shift money to benefits for those who use private companies. Then it’s time to privatize most public health services. Of course Conservatives should be in power again before this all could happen
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Huckleberry Finn
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« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2004, 04:39:27 PM »

Healthcare is NOT a "right".

HHS is unconstitutional.

Darwinism baby!
Yeah! And protection by military and police forces is not a "right".

Defend yourself you loser!
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Huckleberry Finn
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« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2004, 08:38:59 AM »

No to any government interference in health care.

Yes!  I couldn't agree more.


you're a bunch of tightwads.  I have to admit that I am too.  With the possible exception of federally subsidized abortions for the very poor (which would save us billions on all the WIC, welfare, clothing, high school textbooks, etc., for an unwanted child) I think the government should not be grown large enough to muck around in health care.  

And yes, we wouldn't even need that if the government had completely stayed out of this business.  Kemperor points out in a subsequent post that until a couple of decades ago (more like four, actually) we began an experiment in federal involvement which has artificially grown the price of all aspects of health care.

Solution:  Fire every one in the department of Health and Human Services.  Legalize ALL drugs and let me decide which ones I need, whether for therapy or recreation.  And otherwise keep your government on a short leash.
Angus. This post bother me. It seems very immoral and selfish to me. I thought that you would been such great humanist, but it seems that I was wrong.

I have a question to all your guys who are against any public healthcare. What you would do for poor people (or poor CHILDREN) who have serious illness like cancer, heart disease or AIDS? You just let them die?

But I'm glad that I can agree with many Republicans here. Statesrights, Ford and Muon have done many excellent points. In fact you are like most European conservatives. *considering blue Avatar*  


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Huckleberry Finn
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« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2004, 04:33:03 PM »

Huck, IMHO all people (except those who have committed murder) have the right to live. Cancer is a terrible disease and I know the costs involved are through the roof. To deny a person treatment for it is a violation of "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of property(Me-I'm using the original phrase here)". It can cost over 3000 dollars a MONTH for cancer fighting pills. My insurance company no longer covers such drugs. I know now that if I get cancer I am as good as dead.
Is there any public healthcare in America in such cases? If answer is no...I have no words. It would be against Christianity and all decency. America is world's richest country after all.

Or how much there is charity helping people in this kind of cases?

I see this is very good reason vote for Democrats. Maybe you should do so until this problem is solved.
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Huckleberry Finn
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« Reply #4 on: July 05, 2004, 04:23:01 PM »

Huck, IMHO all people (except those who have committed murder) have the right to live. Cancer is a terrible disease and I know the costs involved are through the roof. To deny a person treatment for it is a violation of "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of property(Me-I'm using the original phrase here)". It can cost over 3000 dollars a MONTH for cancer fighting pills. My insurance company no longer covers such drugs. I know now that if I get cancer I am as good as dead.
Is there any public healthcare in America in such cases? If answer is no...I have no words. It would be against Christianity and all decency. America is world's richest country after all.

Or how much there is charity helping people in this kind of cases?
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Any answers?
 
What kind public healhcare you can get in USA if you were very poor and haven't insurance?

The cancer, heart disease, Aids? Who would help you?
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Huckleberry Finn
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« Reply #5 on: July 05, 2004, 04:30:08 PM »

Huck, IMHO all people (except those who have committed murder) have the right to live. Cancer is a terrible disease and I know the costs involved are through the roof. To deny a person treatment for it is a violation of "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of property(Me-I'm using the original phrase here)". It can cost over 3000 dollars a MONTH for cancer fighting pills. My insurance company no longer covers such drugs. I know now that if I get cancer I am as good as dead.
Is there any public healthcare in America in such cases? If answer is no...I have no words. It would be against Christianity and all decency. America is world's richest country after all.

Or how much there is charity helping people in this kind of cases?
Bumb!

Any answers?
 
What kind public healhcare you can get in USA if you were very poor and haven't insurance?

The cancer, heart disease, Aids? Who would help you?

If you are very poor you can get medicaid. Usually making under 25k a year. Some organizations do help but I believe these groups are mostly aimed at children.
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Does medicaid pay all care like cancer drugs and surgery?
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Huckleberry Finn
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« Reply #6 on: July 06, 2004, 04:30:45 PM »

Huck, IMHO all people (except those who have committed murder) have the right to live. Cancer is a terrible disease and I know the costs involved are through the roof. To deny a person treatment for it is a violation of "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of property(Me-I'm using the original phrase here)". It can cost over 3000 dollars a MONTH for cancer fighting pills. My insurance company no longer covers such drugs. I know now that if I get cancer I am as good as dead.
Is there any public healthcare in America in such cases? If answer is no...I have no words. It would be against Christianity and all decency. America is world's richest country after all.

Or how much there is charity helping people in this kind of cases?
Bumb!

Any answers?
 
What kind public healhcare you can get in USA if you were very poor and haven't insurance?

The cancer, heart disease, Aids? Who would help you?

If you are very poor you can get medicaid. Usually making under 25k a year. Some organizations do help but I believe these groups are mostly aimed at children.
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Does medicaid pay all care like cancer drugs and surgery?
Anybody?
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Huckleberry Finn
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« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2004, 03:15:45 PM »
« Edited: July 07, 2004, 03:17:14 PM by Huckleberry Finn »

I believe if more churchs and charities were involved in helping deathly sick people it would take a lot of pressure of the government.
The charity is the nice idea and does lot of good, but I think it should be the society's responsibility to protect people's life. When the charity have to take the responsibility it means that most unselfish people have to bear the burden and selfish bastards don't have to.

I see the healthcare like I see the defence and the law enforcement forces. Everyone assumes that the government protect his life against terrorists or criminals. How a serious illness makes difference?

One thing I have never understood about Republican Party is that it is at same time very pro-life and against the universal healthcare.  Being really pro-life means that you should be ready to accept a principle of the universal healthcare.

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