Civil War in Syria
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
April 19, 2024, 01:23:42 AM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  General Politics
  International General Discussion (Moderators: afleitch, Hash)
  Civil War in Syria
« previous next »
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 [6] 7 8 9 10 11 ... 48
Author Topic: Civil War in Syria  (Read 207057 times)
Nhoj
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,224
United States


Political Matrix
E: 2.52, S: -7.74

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #125 on: July 06, 2012, 03:24:08 PM »

Syrian Republican Guards general Manaf Tlass, once a personal friend of Assad's, defects to Turkey along with his father.
The father is this guy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Tlass who was MoD from 1972 tell 2004.
Logged
dead0man
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 46,269
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #126 on: July 06, 2012, 08:21:18 PM »

Quote
You must be logged in to read this quote.
Classy fellow!
Quote
You must be logged in to read this quote.
You can really taste the irony here.
Logged
The Mikado
Moderators
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 21,737


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #127 on: July 06, 2012, 10:02:01 PM »

Tlass and his father also have extensive (and somewhat bizarre) personal connections with prominent members of the French far-right (Syria used to be a French colony and the upper-class population is Francophone).  The Tlasses are one of the most important Sunni families in Syria and are hooked up with a lot of interesting people.

As Brown Moses Blog (which I think is the best starting place for analysis of Syria news the last few weeks) argues, "What this shows is that the 5 day visit to Syria I reported on yesterday wasn't just a one off event between the far right and Tlass family, but part of an ongoing relationship between the Tlass family and major figures in the French far right.  These links need to be exposed at a time when it's rumoured that Tlass will be promoted by the French to be part of any Syrian transitional government."
Logged
The Mikado
Moderators
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 21,737


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #128 on: July 11, 2012, 04:48:35 PM »

Meet Manaf Tlass:




Logged
Snowstalker Mk. II
Snowstalker
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 20,414
Palestinian Territory, Occupied


Political Matrix
E: -7.10, S: -4.35

P P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #129 on: July 11, 2012, 06:55:29 PM »

Quote from: Restricted
You must be logged in to read this quote.
Logged
The Mikado
Moderators
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 21,737


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #130 on: July 11, 2012, 09:54:48 PM »



Manaf Tlass, middle, at play.  Pictured with Frédéric Chatillon, former head of these lovely people: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupe_Union_D%C3%A9fense  Also pictured is Dieudonné M'bala M'bala, famed for his French anti-Semitic stand-up comedy (as in, one of his videos is literally titled L’Antisémite).

Tlass really has the "bad boy" thing going.
Logged
True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)
Ernest
Moderators
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 42,156
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #131 on: July 12, 2012, 12:23:41 AM »


Looks like a dead ringer for Tony Curtis in this photo.
Logged
The Mikado
Moderators
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 21,737


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #132 on: July 12, 2012, 02:41:02 PM »

Mustafa Tlass (Fmr. Syrian Minister of Defense,Manaf's dad) apparently has a 3700 page (not a typo) memoir.   Not even Churchill had the stamina to lie about himself for 3700 pages.
Logged
Frodo
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 24,541
United States


WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #133 on: July 14, 2012, 12:44:38 PM »

Interesting map.  Can't totally vouch for its accuracy, but given the situation, it seems reasonably correct and lines up well with Aleppo being the major battle ground.



If Aleppo falls to the rebels, that would be a game-changer by setting off a domino-effect in the country that could ultimately leave the Assad regime isolated in pockets centered around Damascus and along the coast. 

Are there any indications that Aleppo is on the brink? 

Logged
Silent Hunter
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 9,318
United Kingdom


WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #134 on: July 15, 2012, 02:11:22 PM »

Red Cross states Syria is in civil war
Logged
The Mikado
Moderators
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 21,737


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #135 on: July 17, 2012, 12:33:47 AM »

Major turmoil in Damascus today, as FSA launches a surprise offensive in the Syrian capital.

http://ap.stripes.com/dynamic/stories/M/ML_SYRIA?SITE=DCSAS&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-07-16-17-28-58
Logged
Nhoj
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 6,224
United States


Political Matrix
E: 2.52, S: -7.74

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #136 on: July 18, 2012, 08:32:31 AM »

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2012/07/20127189355415804.html

Quote
You must be logged in to read this quote.




Logged
dead0man
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 46,269
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #137 on: July 18, 2012, 08:41:04 AM »

Great news!
Logged
Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee
North Carolina Yankee
Moderators
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 54,123
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #138 on: July 18, 2012, 08:54:59 AM »

CBS This Morning, stated that it wasn't a suicide bomber, but was instead an explosion of previously planted explosives.
Logged
The Mikado
Moderators
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 21,737


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #139 on: July 18, 2012, 03:14:02 PM »

Lots going on today. Many rumors, difficult to tell what's actually happening, but this is a kind of Tet Offensive.  Strike way behind enemy lines, massive infiltration of the enemy army suddenly becomes apparent, destroy enemy morale...

Huge defections today.  If even half the stories of defections today are accurate, Assad's regime is leaking like a sieve.  At this rate, pretty soon Assad will be down to just his fellow Alawites.

Confusion as to whether the attack was a suicide bomb or a previously-planted bomb, we likely won't know the truth for a long time.

Hassan Nasrallah of Hezbollah gave a speech expressing solidarity with Assad's regime...since Syria is one of Hezbollah's two backers, along with Iran, Assad's regime collapsing would have devastating effects on Hezbollah.  Might Hezbollah, in desperation, launch a coup in Lebanon?
Logged
Mr. Morden
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 44,073
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #140 on: July 18, 2012, 04:17:05 PM »

One of the rumors is that the defense minister and deputy were killed by someone on the inside (possibly one of their own security guards), because the thinking is that it would have taken someone on the inside to get that close to them.
Logged
The Mikado
Moderators
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 21,737


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #141 on: July 18, 2012, 04:32:51 PM »

One of the rumors is that the defense minister and deputy were killed by someone on the inside (possibly one of their own security guards), because the thinking is that it would have taken someone on the inside to get that close to them.


I don't see how it could be otherwise.  It has inside job written all over it.

Question of the day: does Assad A. take his chances in Damascus, B. retreat to Lattakia and prepare to continue the fight on friendly ground, or C. take the next flight to Moscow and call it quits?
Logged
Dereich
Moderators
YaBB God
*****
Posts: 4,903


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #142 on: July 18, 2012, 04:37:12 PM »

One of the rumors is that the defense minister and deputy were killed by someone on the inside (possibly one of their own security guards), because the thinking is that it would have taken someone on the inside to get that close to them.


I don't see how it could be otherwise.  It has inside job written all over it.

Question of the day: does Assad A. take his chances in Damascus, B. retreat to Lattakia and prepare to continue the fight on friendly ground, or C. take the next flight to Moscow and call it quits?

I doubt he leaves Damascus. Any authority he still has rests on his government being the legitimate government of Syria. The moment he leaves the capital the stream of defections becomes a flood. I doubt he changes policy now, all he has to do is soldier on, slowly culling the opposition with aid from the Russians. The status quo isn't a killer for him yet.
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,073
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #143 on: July 18, 2012, 04:40:50 PM »

Wow, quite shocking news. I didn't think the rebels would be able to inflict such harms to the regime. Does that indicate the tides are turning ? I'd like to think so, but I fear the civil war is far from being over...
Logged
The Mikado
Moderators
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 21,737


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #144 on: July 18, 2012, 07:05:54 PM »

http://www.understandingwar.org/press-media/graphsandstat/evolution-syria%E2%80%99s-opposition
Logged
© tweed
Miamiu1027
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 36,562
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #145 on: July 18, 2012, 07:55:36 PM »

who should we support?
Logged
Vosem
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 15,637
United States


Political Matrix
E: 8.13, S: -6.09

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #146 on: July 18, 2012, 08:23:09 PM »


The rebels, certainly. These figures (to me) attract much more sympathy than the Libyan rebels, and we intervened militarily to support those.
Logged
© tweed
Miamiu1027
Atlas Superstar
*****
Posts: 36,562
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #147 on: July 18, 2012, 08:32:32 PM »


The rebels, certainly. These figures (to me) attract much more sympathy than the Libyan rebels, and we intervened militarily to support those.

yes, problem is the latter fact.  you have a mob on one hand and the germ of yet another neoliberal state on the other.  quite a theoretical bind
Logged
they don't love you like i love you
BRTD
Atlas Prophet
*****
Posts: 112,945
Ukraine


Political Matrix
E: -6.50, S: -6.67

P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #148 on: July 18, 2012, 09:21:36 PM »

Nice reminder to Assad: http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/07/18/227047.html

Good follow-up to a day that had the killing of several of his inner circle.
Logged
Frodo
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 24,541
United States


WWW Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #149 on: July 18, 2012, 11:41:13 PM »


The rebels, certainly. These figures (to me) attract much more sympathy than the Libyan rebels, and we intervened militarily to support those.

I tentatively agree, although at this point I think the rebels should start to get serious about uniting and organizing themselves into a plausible alternative government now that it finally looks as if Bashar al-Assad's regime might be beginning to crumble.  Before today, I can understand why they didn't feel the urgency but since the lifespan of the regime is now being measured in weeks -not months- they need to quit procrastinating and get on to it.  Make it easier for the international community (and the United States) to lend its support to their cause. 
Logged
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 [6] 7 8 9 10 11 ... 48  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.063 seconds with 12 queries.