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« Reply #400 on: February 20, 2013, 12:50:44 pm »
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I think they're probably right. Being too hands-off gives the view, however wrong, that the US/the West just doesn't care who is in government in Syria. In turn, that feeds into support for jihadist groups, both on the usual anti-US/anti-Western lines and because the jihadis are the ones with weapons, so the rebels become more dependent on them the fewer weapons they can get from elsewhere.
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« Reply #401 on: April 18, 2013, 07:11:24 pm »
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Normally, Syria being out of the headlines like this (no posts in this thread for nearly two months) would be an indication the government is quieting things down, but that is not the case here. Assad is slowly, but surely, losing the war (although this report suggests differently: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/syria-live/are-we-seeing-bashar-al-assads-second-wind/article11222855/).

If it can be confirmed that Assad will certainly lose (which is far from certain), that strengthens the Saudi Arabian position.
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« Reply #402 on: April 19, 2013, 04:31:04 pm »
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Stability isn't necessarily a good thing, North Korea is currently a very stable hellhole. I actually think Libya has gotten better even though it has become less stable.

It may be less stable but the difference between the Kims and Daffy versus Assad, are that Assad never really was phrone to erratic behaviour. We simply have no idea what North Korea will do tomorrow, while we have a good idea what Syria will do.
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« Reply #403 on: April 19, 2013, 04:35:34 pm »
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Normally, Syria being out of the headlines like this (no posts in this thread for nearly two months) would be an indication the government is quieting things down, but that is not the case here. Assad is slowly, but surely, losing the war (although this report suggests differently: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/syria-live/are-we-seeing-bashar-al-assads-second-wind/article11222855/).

If it can be confirmed that Assad will certainly lose (which is far from certain), that strengthens the Saudi Arabian position.

Interesting article but there are one paragraph you should focus on

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Food and fuel is still widely available in government-controlled Syria, albeit at inflated prices. Schools and public sector institutions remain open. Government salaries are still being paid.

That's really bad news for the rebels, because it sign of a regime with long term planning and it also mean that people under the regime's rule are better off than people in rebel territory. That more than anything will make the population side with the regime.
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« Reply #404 on: April 20, 2013, 07:46:38 am »
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/britain-france-claim-syria-used-chemical-weapons/2013/04/18/f17a2e7c-a82f-11e2-a8e2-5b98cb59187f_print.html

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Britain and France have informed the United Nations that there is credible evidence that Syria has used chemical weapons on more than one occasion since December, according to senior diplomats and officials briefed on the accounts.

In letters to U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon, the two European powers said soil samples, witness interviews and opposition sources support charges that nerve agents were used in and around the cities of Aleppo, Homs and possibly Damascus, said the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the matter.

The European reports are in part aimed at countering accusations by the Syrian government that opposition forces had used chemical weapons during fighting in the town of Khan al-Asal near Aleppo on March 19, killing 26 people, including regime troops. Syrian rebels have said that government forces used chemical weapons in the incident.
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« Reply #405 on: April 25, 2013, 10:25:54 am »
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Breaking: Hagel has just announced that US intel confirms chemical weapons use by Assad.
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« Reply #406 on: April 25, 2013, 10:38:11 am »
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Sarin, to be precise.
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« Reply #407 on: April 25, 2013, 11:24:09 am »
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If this is true, it is time to intervene.
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« Reply #408 on: April 25, 2013, 03:29:45 pm »
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Looks like the US is going to ask the UN to confirm, to be absolutely sure.
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« Reply #409 on: May 06, 2013, 08:26:52 am »
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The plot thickens...

UN's Carla Del Ponte says there is evidence rebels 'used sarin' in Syria


A United Nations inquiry into human rights abuses in Syria has found evidence to suggest that rebel forces may have used chemical weapons, its lead investigator has revealed.

Carla Del Ponte, a member of the UN independent commission of inquiry on Syria, said that testimony gathered from casualties and medical staff indicated that the nerve agent sarin gas was used by rebel fighters.

"Our investigators have been in neighbouring countries interviewing victims, doctors and field hospitals and, according to their report of last week which I have seen, there are strong, concrete suspicions but not yet incontrovertible proof of the use of sarin gas, from the way the victims were treated," Ms Del Ponte said in an interview with Swiss-Italian television, broadcast on Sunday.

"This was used on the part of the opposition, the rebels, not by the government authorities," she added, speaking in Italian.

Ms Del Ponte added that the inquiry has yet to see any direct evidence suggesting that government forces have used chemical weapons, but said further investigation was required before this possibility could be ruled out.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/uns-carla-del-ponte-says-there-is-evidence-rebels-used-sarin-in-syria-8604920.html
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« Reply #410 on: May 06, 2013, 11:59:45 am »
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I suppose that complicates intervention a bit... Roll Eyes
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« Reply #411 on: May 06, 2013, 12:01:14 pm »
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Both sides in this 'war' disgust me.
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« Reply #412 on: May 06, 2013, 12:07:39 pm »
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It's not like the Rebels are all on the same side... they're quite diverse. Most of the extremist rebels aren't even from Syria.
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« Reply #413 on: May 07, 2013, 06:53:41 pm »
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Finally, a glimmer of hope:

U.S. and Russia Plan Conference Aimed at Ending Syrian War

By STEVEN LEE MYERS and RICK GLADSTONE
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MOSCOW — Russia and the United States announced on Tuesday that they would seek to convene an international conference within weeks aimed at ending the civil war in Syria, jointly intensifying their diplomatic pressure on the combatants to peacefully settle a conflict that has taken more than 70,000 lives and left millions displaced and desperate.

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The announcement appeared to signal a strong desire by both countries to halt what has been a dangerous escalation in the conflict, with evidence of chemical weapons use, a surge in the number of civilians fleeing combat, and a refugee crisis that is overwhelming Syria’s neighbors. Israeli aerial attacks this past weekend on suspected munitions sites in Syria heightened and further complicated the tensions in the region.

Mr. Kerry’s visit also came as the Obama administration is facing increasing calls to intervene in the conflict with lethal military aid to the insurgency or perhaps stronger action such as enforcement of a no-fly zone over Syria to protect rebel-held areas. The effort to seek a negotiated solution with the Russians suggested the administration at least wanted to first make a public push in the diplomacy direction.
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« Reply #414 on: May 08, 2013, 12:08:33 am »
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That won't go anywhere. Neither Assad nor the rebels want to compromise with the other side.
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« Reply #415 on: May 11, 2013, 11:37:39 am »
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4 explosions inside Turkey on the border with Syria, Turkey moving air and ground forces to border.  Link shortly.

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« Reply #416 on: May 11, 2013, 11:42:04 am »
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better article on the earlier explosions...up to 42 dead now


...seems there's been another explosion...link....I believe that's saying there are 78 dead now
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« Reply #417 on: May 12, 2013, 10:33:54 pm »
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Turkey arrests 'pro-Damascus' bombers
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TURKEY has arrested nine people over bombings that killed 46 in a town near the Syrian border and warned Damascus a red line had been crossed.

The Syrian government denied involvement in the twin car bombs that sowed death in Reyhanli on Saturday but Ankara said it was holding suspects who had confessed and accused Damascus of dragging Turkey into its civil war.

The attacks were the deadliest case of what observers see as an increasing regionalisation of the conflict that started in March 2011 and came as key brokers Washington and Moscow made an unprecedented joint push for peace talks.

"They want to drag us down a vile path," Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan said at a rally in Istanbul, urging Turks to be "level-headed in the face of each provocation aimed at drawing Turkey into the Syrian quagmire."

Speaking during a visit to Berlin, Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu called the attacks a breach of Turkey's "red line" and warned that Ankara reserved the right to "take any kind of measure" in response.

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« Reply #418 on: May 13, 2013, 01:07:42 am »
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Why would Syria want Turkey in the war? Color me skeptical.
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« Reply #419 on: May 13, 2013, 01:15:02 am »
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Why would Syria want Turkey in the war? Color me skeptical.

Pro-Assad bombers doesn't necessarily mean bombers taking orders from Assad.  They could just be members of some pro-Assad militia lashing out at Turkey for aiding the rebels, not really thinking through the geopolitical consequences.
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« Reply #420 on: May 13, 2013, 05:15:47 am »
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Why would Syria want Turkey in the war? Color me skeptical.

Pro-Assad bombers doesn't necessarily mean bombers taking orders from Assad.  They could just be members of some pro-Assad militia lashing out at Turkey for aiding the rebels, not really thinking through the geopolitical consequences.


Possible, but a false flag operation is also possible,
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« Reply #421 on: May 13, 2013, 03:07:55 pm »
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Why would Syria want Turkey in the war? Color me skeptical.

Pro-Assad bombers doesn't necessarily mean bombers taking orders from Assad.  They could just be members of some pro-Assad militia lashing out at Turkey for aiding the rebels, not really thinking through the geopolitical consequences.


Possible, but a false flag operation is also possible,
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« Reply #422 on: May 16, 2013, 09:32:06 pm »
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Russia's sending Assad advanced ASMs.
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« Reply #423 on: May 16, 2013, 10:14:40 pm »
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Doesn't surprise me. Russia can't just allow it's ally to be overtaken because helping them wouldn't be "moral" in the eyes of the West.
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« Reply #424 on: May 16, 2013, 10:40:19 pm »
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Rebel caught on video eating heart of dead soldier: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22523804 (not a link to the actual video)

Surprised nobody posted it... not.
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