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« Reply #450 on: June 04, 2013, 08:10:34 pm »
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Norks-have you tried firing some of your missiles into the sea?
Syria-it's more of an internal problem
Norks-have you tried an outdated political system that leads (as it always does) to mass starvation?  It's hard to rablle rouse on 79 calories a day
Syria-no, we don't hate money
Norks-don't you usually blame the Jews when you need to pull your people together
Syria-of course we tried that...that was the second, forth, seventh, eighth and ninth things we tried.  We even tried giving terrorists more missiles and the Jews blew up the building we hid them in, it's not fair really.  Do you know they have spy sharks and birds and sh**t? 
Norks-don't get me started!  Bad Korea is always trying to give our people information about how much better life is everywhere outside of Best Korea.
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« Reply #451 on: June 04, 2013, 09:00:45 pm »
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I think the Syrian Loyalists have promised reward to Hezbollah for their assistance in the war. In the article posted by Starwatcher it says that Hezbollah personnel are starting to man Syrian tanks and armored vehicles. I think Hezbollah is gaining the troops experience in using these weapons and will eventually incorporate tanks into their "army". We have to remember that Hezbollah is practically a nation-state with a standing army at this point.

Also keep in mind that Qusair is a key supply route for weapons and equipment from Syrian into Lebanon. Hezbollah is as a result "forced" to intervene to hold Qusair for the Loyalists to keep the route open.
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« Reply #452 on: June 04, 2013, 10:11:53 pm »
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Assad promises to attack Israel, if they bomb a site in Syria again

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/05/2013530194217674256.html

and what would happen then?  Do you think that Israel would invade Syria?

Unless the entire Israeli government have been replaced with complete morons, it won't happen. First the Israel army have in the last 4 decades only worked as a occupation force.
Also the Israeli military have build for fast knock out, not long term military action, so the best they can hope for is weakening the government, rather than taking them out.
Even in Lebanon it worked more like a traditional occupation force. Israels other problem is that everybody hate them in Syria, the rebels moreso than the government.

They could of course do airstrikes on anything going in or out and if attacked, can defend. It appears to be a complicated situation for them.
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« Reply #453 on: June 05, 2013, 12:49:29 am »
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This isn't a war anymore, it's a [inks]ing freakshow.
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« Reply #454 on: June 05, 2013, 01:33:31 am »
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This isn't a war anymore, it's a [inks]ing freakshow.

The next step is for some Minuteman volunteers to go to Damascus to protect the US border from incursions by Syrian refugees.
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« Reply #455 on: June 05, 2013, 08:03:48 am »
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This isn't a war anymore, it's a [inks]ing freakshow.

The next step is for some Minuteman volunteers to go to Damascus to protect the US border from incursions by Syrian refugees.

...or the French trying to re-establish the mandate. Tongue
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« Reply #456 on: June 05, 2013, 02:07:32 pm »
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Qusair finally fell to government forces after two weeks of fighting: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22778310

Bad news for the rebels. Without foreign intervention, it's looking like they will lose.
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« Reply #457 on: June 06, 2013, 08:34:40 pm »
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Qusair finally fell to government forces after two weeks of fighting: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22778310

Bad news for the rebels. Without foreign intervention, it's looking like they will lose.

Nah, they still hold Aleppo, most of the entire north and eastern provinces.
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« Reply #458 on: June 06, 2013, 08:50:28 pm »
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Indeed.  It (Qusair) is much more important to Assad's boys than it was to the FSA.  It was good to deny it from them, but it wasn't a good place (or time) for a Waterloo.
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« Reply #459 on: June 07, 2013, 04:47:07 am »
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Qusair finally fell to government forces after two weeks of fighting: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22778310

Bad news for the rebels. Without foreign intervention, it's looking like they will lose.

I don't think Assad can actually "win" in the sense that he'll never have enough forces to hold the whole country together at once.  But a stalemate that goes on for years and years is certainly possible.  How long did the Lebanese Civil War last?  15 years?
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« Reply #460 on: June 11, 2013, 07:17:24 am »
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So it seems that Assad still has some European friends: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/jun/11/bnp-nick-griffin-syria-assad
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« Reply #461 on: June 13, 2013, 04:38:17 pm »
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U.S. government confirms multiple uses of chemical weapons by the Assad government, pledges to act
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« Reply #462 on: June 13, 2013, 09:25:07 pm »
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It seems we are going to provide 'direct military support' to the Syrian rebels:

U.S., citing use of chemical weapons by Syria, to provide direct military support to rebels

By Karen DeYoung and Anne Gearan, Updated: Thursday, June 13, 9:17 PM

The United States has concluded that the Syrian government used chemical weapons in its fight against opposition forces, and President Obama has authorized direct U.S. military support to the rebels, the White House said Thursday.

“The president has said that the use of chemical weapons would change his calculus, and it has,” said Benjamin J. Rhodes, Obama’s deputy national security adviser. Rhodes said U.S. intelligence had determined with “high certainty” that Syrian government forces have “used chemical weapons, including the nerve agent sarin, on a small scale against the opposition multiple times in the last year.”

Intelligence agencies estimate that 100 to 150 people have died as a result of chemical weapons use, he said.

Rhodes did not detail what he called the expanded military support, but it is expected initially to consist of light arms and ammunition. He said the shipments would be “responsive to the needs” expressed by the rebel command.

Obama has “not made any decision” to pursue a military option such as a no-fly zone and has ruled out the deployment of U.S. ground troops, Rhodes said.
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« Reply #463 on: June 13, 2013, 09:29:41 pm »
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Apparently the chemical weapons were only part of the reason for a decision that was coming anyway. According to Politico,

“The decision was ultimately driven by the discovery Assad used [chemical weapons] but there were a number of other factors in place that were also important,” conceded an administration official with direct knowledge of the deliberations.

“Would we have made [the determination Assad had breached the red line] even if we didn’t have the evidence? Probably.”

This seems more related to the promotion of Susan Rice and John Kerry than anything else. Apparently, Tom Donilon and Chuck Hagel were not as enthusiastic as Rice.
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« Reply #464 on: June 13, 2013, 09:36:16 pm »
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I wonder how far Obama will go with this.

Arming Sunni Islamists to beat Russia in a proxy war? Why does that sound familiar...
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« Reply #465 on: June 13, 2013, 09:36:22 pm »
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Assad promises to attack Israel, if they bomb a site in Syria again

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/05/2013530194217674256.html

and what would happen then?  Do you think that Israel would invade Syria?

Israel would do what they nearly did in the Six Day War and torch the place to ash. We in the West seriously underestimate Israel as a ruthless military force nowadays.
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« Reply #466 on: June 13, 2013, 09:41:02 pm »
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And just like that Israel and the US are really going to increase their popularity in the Middle East...
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« Reply #467 on: June 13, 2013, 10:13:21 pm »
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Qusair finally fell to government forces after two weeks of fighting: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22778310

Bad news for the rebels. Without foreign intervention, it's looking like they will lose.

I don't think Assad can actually "win" in the sense that he'll never have enough forces to hold the whole country together at once.  But a stalemate that goes on for years and years is certainly possible.  How long did the Lebanese Civil War last?  15 years?


That's nothing compared to the Colombian civil war.
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« Reply #468 on: June 13, 2013, 10:14:18 pm »
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Apparently the chemical weapons were only part of the reason for a decision that was coming anyway. According to Politico,

“The decision was ultimately driven by the discovery Assad used [chemical weapons] but there were a number of other factors in place that were also important,” conceded an administration official with direct knowledge of the deliberations.

“Would we have made [the determination Assad had breached the red line] even if we didn’t have the evidence? Probably.”

This seems more related to the promotion of Susan Rice and John Kerry than anything else. Apparently, Tom Donilon and Chuck Hagel were not as enthusiastic as Rice.

Oh goodie, another black female Stanford alum as National Security Advisor who is a warmonger.
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« Reply #469 on: June 14, 2013, 04:15:51 pm »
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I think the bigger factors were how Hezbollah and Iran are now investing everything in Assad quite openly, and Russia trying to plays us for fools.
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« Reply #470 on: June 14, 2013, 06:30:14 pm »
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A weaker, gayer Assad would be great for the region, as he will recognize Golan Heights as Israel's territory and he will not give arms to Iraq's terrorists.

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« Reply #471 on: June 16, 2013, 12:13:29 pm »
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Iran to send 4000 Iranian Revolutionary Guards to Syria-link goes to Google search

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The Independent on Sunday has learned that a military decision has been taken in Iran – even before last week’s presidential election – to send a first contingent of 4,000 Iranian Revolutionary Guards to Syria to support President Bashar al-Assad’s forces against the largely Sunni rebellion that has cost almost 100,000 lives in just over two years.  Iran is now fully committed to preserving Assad’s regime, according to pro-Iranian sources which have been deeply involved in the Islamic Republic’s security, even to the extent of proposing to open up a new ‘Syrian’ front on the Golan Heights against Israel.
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« Reply #472 on: June 16, 2013, 12:17:26 pm »
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Iran to send 4000 Iranian Revolutionary Guards to Syria-link goes to Google search

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The Independent on Sunday has learned that a military decision has been taken in Iran – even before last week’s presidential election – to send a first contingent of 4,000 Iranian Revolutionary Guards to Syria to support President Bashar al-Assad’s forces against the largely Sunni rebellion that has cost almost 100,000 lives in just over two years.  Iran is now fully committed to preserving Assad’s regime, according to pro-Iranian sources which have been deeply involved in the Islamic Republic’s security, even to the extent of proposing to open up a new ‘Syrian’ front on the Golan Heights against Israel.

Good that we are getting out of there right now ...
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« Reply #473 on: June 16, 2013, 12:22:34 pm »
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Wonder how Ankara is going to react to actually having Iranian troops in Syria. Iran having bases in the Mediterranean is one of the "worst case scenarios" the Turks have. Of course they will likely wait and see how it all develops, but its still a provocation.
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« Reply #474 on: June 16, 2013, 12:24:39 pm »
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Here is a more alarming version of this:

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Syrian forces training to storm Israel's border

TEL AVIV – Thousands of Syrians are currently training in Iran to serve as a force ready to storm Israel’s northern Golan Heights, according to informed Middle Eastern security officials.

The officials said between 3,000 and 5,000 Syrian men were being trained in the event Syrian President Bashar al-Assad decides to open a front against the Golan Heights, which borders Syria.

The training is being overseen by the Al Quds Force, the elite unit of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard responsible for the country’s extraterritorial operations, the sources said.

The Syrian forces are slated to return to their country next month, the sources added.

This is not the first report of Iran aiding Syria in preparations for ground attacks against Israel.

In May, WND reported the Iranian-backed Hezbollah was establishing training camps near the Syrian capital of Damascus to prepare for possible guerrilla warfare targeting the Golan Heights, according to informed Middle Eastern security officials.

The officials said the camps are training Palestinian groups as well as special units connected to Assad’s Baath party for operations against Israel if such actions are green-lighted by Syria in the near future.

The officials said that for the time being, Russia has urged Assad against taking any action targeting Israel.

On Saturday, the New York Times reported that as a way to keep the pressure on Assad, American warplanes and antimissile batteries will remain in Jordan following a military drill currently underway.

The Times further reported on CIA training for the rebels in Jordan under a covert program as well as a U.S. campaign to send weapons to the rebels via Jordan.

The Washington Post further reported on a U.S. decision to send weapons to the rebels through Turkey.

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