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« Reply #525 on: July 29, 2013, 01:06:01 am »
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That's flat out false. By all estimates Islamists make up no more than 20% of rebel forces. Plus the main rebels have been killing more Islamists than Assad's forces lately. I still hold all Assad supporters to be bloodthirsty thugs.
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« Reply #526 on: July 29, 2013, 02:43:47 am »
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That's flat out false. By all estimates Islamists make up no more than 20% of rebel forces. Plus the main rebels have been killing more Islamists than Assad's forces lately. I still hold all Assad supporters to be bloodthirsty thugs.

What a silly thing to say. History isn't as black and white as you seem to think. Real life is grey.
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« Reply #527 on: July 29, 2013, 12:35:55 pm »
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So then what about people who supported Franco and Pinochet because of "OMG COMMUNISM!!!11!!!"
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« Reply #528 on: July 29, 2013, 01:13:59 pm »
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I think this situation is more grey then people are making it out to be. As far as the Loyalists are concerned they are fighting for a secular Syria against the Islamic Fundamentalist dominated Rebels backed by foreign fighters who wish to transform Syria into the next Afghanistan. I hope nobody is naive enough to thing the "NTC" folks have any real sway in the Rebel movement on the ground. This war has taken on a new dimension. It's not Assad vs The People anymore. It's Secular Urban/Shia vs Islamic Conservative Rural Sunnis.

I can't help but think that if I were in Syria I would support the Loyalists.

Syria has very few native Shi'ite, those thousands of shia fighting on Assads side are foreign jihadists fighting coming in from all over the Middle East, because of Iranian influence.
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« Reply #529 on: July 29, 2013, 02:06:23 pm »
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Assad's military is close to taking Homs. if they succeed they will probably halt the offence and fortify the landmass they hold now (most of the Alawites majority area).
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« Reply #530 on: July 29, 2013, 03:51:24 pm »
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Sort of notable that coverage of the war in the British media has declined since Assad started winning again.
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« Reply #531 on: July 29, 2013, 10:11:13 pm »
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So then what about people who supported Franco and Pinochet because of "OMG COMMUNISM!!!11!!!"

They were supporting those regime because they preferred them to socialism. Not because they were "murderous thugs" who liked killing because it was fun. There are people like that in every cause.
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« Reply #532 on: July 29, 2013, 11:53:57 pm »
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When BRTD takes a side, he tends to go Berzerker. While I don't agree with him, I kind of understand it...
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« Reply #533 on: August 21, 2013, 07:20:58 pm »
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UN Security Council is getting reports that a nerve gas attack has killed over 1000 in Damascus suburbs.
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« Reply #534 on: August 21, 2013, 10:12:15 pm »
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Is this going to be Obama's war?
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« Reply #535 on: August 22, 2013, 02:16:54 am »
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UN Security Council is getting reports that a nerve gas attack has killed over 1000 in Damascus suburbs.

That should be the trigger point then. There's gonna be too much pressure to act.
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« Reply #536 on: August 22, 2013, 01:36:46 pm »
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UN Security Council is getting reports that a nerve gas attack has killed over 1000 in Damascus suburbs.

That should be the trigger point then. There's gonna be too much pressure to act.

Not really.  As it done so on previous occasions, Russia is already saying this was a false flag operation by the rebels.  This certainly won't get the UN involved. Nor do I see the US eager to bear the costs of policing this mess.  Europe may want to, but does it have the capability?
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« Reply #537 on: August 22, 2013, 02:48:33 pm »
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UN Security Council is getting reports that a nerve gas attack has killed over 1000 in Damascus suburbs.

That should be the trigger point then. There's gonna be too much pressure to act.

Not really.  As it done so on previous occasions, Russia is already saying this was a false flag operation by the rebels.  This certainly won't get the UN involved. Nor do I see the US eager to bear the costs of policing this mess.  Europe may want to, but does it have the capability?

Exactly what I thought happened. Since Assad is allowing UN chemical weapons inspectors into his country, it tells me he wants nothing to do with a chemical attack.
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« Reply #538 on: August 22, 2013, 08:14:16 pm »
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Then why did Assad order the area of the attack be bombed earlier today, except to destroy evidence?
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« Reply #539 on: August 23, 2013, 03:10:39 am »
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Rebels located there maybe?
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« Reply #540 on: August 23, 2013, 05:43:12 am »
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UN Security Council is getting reports that a nerve gas attack has killed over 1000 in Damascus suburbs.

That should be the trigger point then. There's gonna be too much pressure to act.

Not really.  As it done so on previous occasions, Russia is already saying this was a false flag operation by the rebels.  This certainly won't get the UN involved. Nor do I see the US eager to bear the costs of policing this mess.  Europe may want to, but does it have the capability?

Exactly what I thought happened. Since Assad is allowing UN chemical weapons inspectors into his country, it tells me he wants nothing to do with a chemical attack.

Of course Russia is saying that, Assad is their ally, they even supply him with weapons.

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The UN inquiry will only try to establish whether chemical weapons were used, not who used them.

I don't think Assad has much to worry about from the UN.
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« Reply #541 on: August 23, 2013, 11:06:24 am »
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Not really.  As it done so on previous occasions, Russia is already saying this was a false flag operation by the rebels.  This certainly won't get the UN involved. Nor do I see the US eager to bear the costs of policing this mess.  Europe may want to, but does it have the capability?

Of course it does; it's got carriers, it's got Tomahawks and its got a good deal of fighter jets.
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« Reply #542 on: August 23, 2013, 06:39:40 pm »
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Then why did Assad order the area of the attack be bombed earlier today, except to destroy evidence?

Um, you can't get rid of the chemical traces of the attack with conventional explosives....?
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« Reply #543 on: August 23, 2013, 07:14:26 pm »
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Of course Russia is saying that, Assad is their ally, they even supply him with weapons.

And we arm every other dictatorship in the Mideast (except Iran). If this were happening in Saudi Arabia we'd stick up for them.

Um, you can't get rid of the chemical traces of the attack with conventional explosives....?

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« Reply #544 on: August 23, 2013, 08:44:10 pm »
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Of course Russia is saying that, Assad is their ally, they even supply him with weapons.

And we arm every other dictatorship in the Mideast (except Iran). If this were happening in Saudi Arabia we'd stick up for them.

And if the US says something like this you would be the first to claim it invalid because of that, but somehow Russia gets a free pass from you.
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« Reply #545 on: August 23, 2013, 10:03:58 pm »
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Not really.  As it done so on previous occasions, Russia is already saying this was a false flag operation by the rebels.  This certainly won't get the UN involved. Nor do I see the US eager to bear the costs of policing this mess.  Europe may want to, but does it have the capability?

Of course it does; it's got carriers, it's got Tomahawks and its got a good deal of fighter jets.
And whatcha gonna do when your stocks run low?  Unless Uncle Sugar gets involved the ability of Europe to sustain an air war in Syria is limited. Europe was barely able to handle being the frontman on Libya and that was with a good deal of US logistical support.  Syria is tougher than Libya for a whole host of reasons.
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« Reply #546 on: August 23, 2013, 10:20:39 pm »
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Actually the French played the main role in wiping out Gaddafi's air force, and that part of the operation went incredibly easy.
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« Reply #547 on: August 23, 2013, 10:26:18 pm »
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Actually the French played the main role in wiping out Gaddafi's air force, and that part of the operation went incredibly easy.

Without US Support, the Europeans have logistics problems operating in blue water and in force projection.
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« Reply #548 on: August 24, 2013, 02:18:35 am »
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And if the US says something like this you would be the first to claim it invalid because of that, but somehow Russia gets a free pass from you.

I know I will not believe a word the interventionists say. The last 11 years have proven those people will exaggerate, lie, and manufacture evidence to support their accusations.
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« Reply #549 on: August 24, 2013, 02:21:48 am »
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And if the US says something like this you would be the first to claim it invalid because of that, but somehow Russia gets a free pass from you.

I know I will not believe a word the interventionists say. The last 11 years have proven those people will exaggerate, lie, and manufacture evidence to support their accusations.

I agree; manipulation and forgery of evidence has been done numerous times by Western nations to justify military intervention (see Vietnam, Kosovo, Iraq, etc.). That certainly doesn't mean you should trust what Moscow says.
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