Scott Walker recall goes live

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Looks like a poll from outtah nowhere.  Does Marquette have a very good track record?

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I suspect the margin will end up rather similar to 2010. I think the state is pretty evenly divided on Walker's actions but there's a portion of the population out there (5-10%) that opposes recalls out of principle and that'll carry the day for Walker.

That's possible.  It's too bad that Wisconsin doesn't let voters recall legislation instead of politicians like Ohio does, because then the Democrats would have better chances of getting what they want.

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I suspect the margin will end up rather similar to 2010. I think the state is pretty evenly divided on Walker's actions but there's a portion of the population out there (5-10%) that opposes recalls out of principle and that'll carry the day for Walker.

That's possible.  It's too bad that Wisconsin doesn't let voters recall legislation instead of politicians like Ohio does, because then the Democrats would have better chances of getting what they want.

Maybe, but that wouldn't make sense considering democrats have basically abandoned the anti act 10 message because they lose on it.  Barrett didn't even mention it last night.  They want to run on jobs or women apparently...  this recall is so stupid.     

The Democrats do seem to be making the same mistake they did with the recalls by not making unions the central issue in spite of the fact that most Wisconsin voters support collective bargaining rights.  It all depends on how they go about the issue from now until the election.

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It's Rasmussen.  Knock off a few R points and yeah, toss-up.

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It's a tad late to be asking this, but were there any recent polls on the Lt. Gubernatorial recall?  I'd love to see that Sarah Palin lookalike lose her job today.

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Kleefisch is running well behind Walker.  Losing 61-39 now while Walker's up 64-36.

Wow.

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When did exit polls decide to suck all of a sudden?

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Walker
Campaign: $29 million
Outside Groups: $16 million

Barrett
Campaign: $3 million
Outside Groups: $6 million

Also, could this site get any f**king slower during an election night?

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Sad, if not surprising. The people of Wisconsin had a chance to toss out a corrupt, quasi-fascist criminal and instead quite possibly kept him in office by a larger margin than he originally won by.

Matt Yglesias said it best...

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Oh well, with any luck Walker will be in prison in a few months, anyway.

EDIT: Haha, Obama leads Romney in the exit poll. What the hell kind of confused person is an Obama/Walker voter?

Swing voters suck.

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Walker
Campaign: $29 million
Outside Groups: $16 million

Barrett
Campaign: $3 million
Outside Groups: $6 million

Also, could this site get any f**king slower during an election night?

Big deal.  It's not Republicans fault if Wisconsin Dems can't raise the big bucks.  And let's face it, it takes big bucks to compete in and to win elections in this era.

Good job missing the point.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Walker
Campaign: $29 million
Outside Groups: $16 million

Barrett
Campaign: $3 million
Outside Groups: $6 million

Also, could this site get any f**king slower during an election night?

Big deal.  It's not Republicans fault if Wisconsin Dems can't raise the big bucks.  And let's face it, it takes big bucks to compete in and to win elections in this era.

Good job missing the point.

That money barely influences election results?

No, that it does.

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What matters is we took the Senate, so Walker will at least be leashed.

That isn't true (the part about leashing Walker).

From the America-hating nutjobs at DailyKos: "Lehman's victory gives Democrats a majority of seats in the chamber, though the legislature is not scheduled to meet again until next year—that is, after the November elections in which control of the body will once again be up for grabs. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/06/1097772/-Daily-Kos-Elections-Morning-Digest-Scott-Walker-survives-recall-but-Democrats-take-state-Senate?detail=hide

So contrary to what a lot of Dems on this board are saying, y'all really got N-O-T-H-I-N-G out of this recall, no matter how you slice it.

So then, regardless of what the outcome was, neither the governor or the legislature would've been able to do anything?  At least Walker can't do any more damage for now, then.

Also, please change your avatar.

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Walker
Campaign: $29 million
Outside Groups: $16 million

Barrett
Campaign: $3 million
Outside Groups: $6 million

Also, could this site get any f**king slower during an election night?

Big deal.  It's not Republicans fault if Wisconsin Dems can't raise the big bucks.  And let's face it, it takes big bucks to compete in and to win elections in this era.

Good job missing the point.

That money barely influences election results?

No, that it does.

So, we've established that money influences elections. What we haven't established is why Democrats only care about that when  they're being outspent. Funny how there's an inverse relationship btwn Democrats' level of concern about $ in politics & how much they have to spend.

Do stop being a hack.

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Do stop being a hack.

Is this what you do when you can't make a coherent argument? Start calling people hacks and asking them to change their avators? It's always fun figuring out who to avoid like the plague around here.

Every bit of what you said is subjective and, quite frankly, completely rude.  Most Democrats (or at least, the ones that aren't corporate pets) support limiting campaign contributions.  Unfortunately, the Supreme Court threw that out.  Democrats don't just complain whenever they're outspent, so stop with the partisan hackery.

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Do stop being a hack.

Is this what you do when you can't make a coherent argument? Start calling people hacks and asking them to change their avators? It's always fun figuring out who to avoid like the plague around here.

Every bit of what you said is subjective and, quite frankly, completely rude.  Most Democrats (or at least, the ones that aren't corporate pets) support limiting campaign contributions.  Unfortunately, the Supreme Court threw that out.  Democrats don't just complain whenever they're outspent, so stop with the partisan hackery.

Haha - ok, I'll make sure not to point out Democratic hypocrisy in the future, all because you called me a hack. But seriously, go sleep it off or something. Sounds like you're still a little down about last night. Don't worry, you'll forget all about the recall soon

Uh, you're the one making the rude comments.  Try looking back.  You are the one being a sore winner, and that is clear in your comments.

Turn the computer off and go outside, little child.

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Do stop being a hack.

Is this what you do when you can't make a coherent argument? Start calling people hacks and asking them to change their avators? It's always fun figuring out who to avoid like the plague around here.

Every bit of what you said is subjective and, quite frankly, completely rude.  Most Democrats (or at least, the ones that aren't corporate pets) support limiting campaign contributions.  Unfortunately, the Supreme Court threw that out.  Democrats don't just complain whenever they're outspent, so stop with the partisan hackery.

Haha - ok, I'll make sure not to point out Democratic hypocrisy in the future, all because you called me a hack. But seriously, go sleep it off or something. Sounds like you're still a little down about last night. Don't worry, you'll forget all about the recall soon

Uh, you're the one making the rude comments.  Try looking back.  You are the one being a sore winner, and that is clear in your comments.

Turn the computer off and go outside, little child.

I was replying to a post you made about how money matters in elections. I replied by asking you if you felt the same way when Obama had all the money. You replied by calling me a hack. Dude, you have problems.

You said absolutely nothing about Obama in your post, so now you're just lying.

What you don't seem to get is there used to be limits on how much corporations and individuals could give to candidates.  Now there are not.   2012 is very different from 2008.

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What you don't seem to get is there used to be limits on how much corporations and individuals could give to candidates.  Now there are not. 

Now we have to make sure it stays that way (shouldn't be too difficult) and that the people approve of this policy, which will take effort. It would also be heartening to see other nations adopt similar laws, of course.

Why?  So corporations can continue buying/controlling politicians and legislation?

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What you don't seem to get is there used to be limits on how much corporations and individuals could give to candidates.  Now there are not.  

Now we have to make sure it stays that way (shouldn't be too difficult) and that the people approve of this policy, which will take effort. It would also be heartening to see other nations adopt similar laws, of course.

Why?  So corporations can continue buying/controlling politicians and legislation?

Because not allowing you to spend money in support of your candidate -- yes, however much you want, even if that number exceeds some arbitrary limit -- is frankly rather authoritarian.

And letting the guy who has all of the cash make the decisions is not (whether it's Democrats or Republicans calling the shots)?