Rafael Correa vs Lucas Papademos

[Beet]

Discuss.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Papademos (sane).

[Platypus]

Tough one. For Australia, I'd definitely prefer Papademos, for Greece, probably Papademos. But for Ecuador, Correa was a necessary leader, and still remains important I reckon. He's lifted the poorest up significantly. Ecuador still faces troubles, and that whole debt cancellation thing was highly questionable, but I reckon he's a good leader for Ecuador at the moment. Not a Lula, but not a Chavez, either.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Papademos (sane).

If so, sanity is a grotesquely overrated construct. (Remember, folks, Papademos is the man who helped bring Greece into the Euro in the first place)

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Papademos (sane).

If so, sanity is a grotesquely overrated construct. (Remember, folks, Papademos is the man who helped bring Greece into the Euro in the first place)

I thought we were banned from saying that?

[Platypus]

Papademos (sane).

If so, sanity is a grotesquely overrated construct. (Remember, folks, Papademos is the man who helped bring Greece into the Euro in the first place)

Sure, but Correa has been... 'mostly-kinda-semi-democratic' in the best Latin American tradition.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

For perhaps a rather different (if rather shrill and at-times silly) perspective on Greece's new oh-so-wise "technocratic" government - read here: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/11/mark-ames-austerity-fascism-in-greece-%E2%80%93-the-real-1-doctrine.html

Or maybe a less obviously biased source might be better - such as, oh I don't know, The Anti-defamation league would be preferible.

(This is probably the wrong thread to post this, but I can't think of anywhere else atm. This should be given some attention at least).

[Filuwaúrdjan]

For perhaps a rather different (if rather shrill and at-times silly) perspective on Greece's new oh-so-wise "technocratic" government - read here: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/11/mark-ames-austerity-fascism-in-greece-%E2%80%93-the-real-1-doctrine.html

Or maybe a less obviously biased source might be better - such as, oh I don't know, The Anti-defamation league would be preferible.

(This is probably the wrong thread to post this, but I can't think of anywhere else atm. This should be given some attention at least).

Ah, yes. LAOS. They are not good people.

[RodPresident]

At least, Correa did a debt auditing that showed many illegal things, while Papademos is a banking guy.

[Gustaf]

For perhaps a rather different (if rather shrill and at-times silly) perspective on Greece's new oh-so-wise "technocratic" government - read here: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/11/mark-ames-austerity-fascism-in-greece-%E2%80%93-the-real-1-doctrine.html

Or maybe a less obviously biased source might be better - such as, oh I don't know, The Anti-defamation league would be preferible.

(This is probably the wrong thread to post this, but I can't think of anywhere else atm. This should be given some attention at least).

Haha, what?! They let LAOS into government? Oh, the hilarity. I mean the humanity. No laughing matter, of course.

The first article is a bit out there in terms of conspiracy thinking, but I did like the axe thing. It certainly added the extra touch. And now I understand that facebook status from a Greek friend about the fascists taking over...I didn't before.

In fairness though, you can't really rave too much about lack of democracy here. LAOS is a major party in Greece for some unfathomable reason.
 
To answer the poll, neither is my type of leader. I voted for Papademos somewhat reflexively but then regretted it. Papademos might be worse for his country and might also well have less benevolent intentions.

[Хahar 🤔]

Papademos (sane).

Eighty years ago, in your country, the two hundred families of the Bank of France pursued a policy of economic terrorism. Whenever there was even an idea of a government of the left, all capital would come pouring across the borders and out of the country. A right-wing government was needed, of course; how could there possibly be economic confidence if the evil left were in charge?

I suspect that in 1934 you would have supported Gaston Doumergue's government as the sane option.

[Edu]

Rafael Correa without a doubt

[Antonio the Sixth]

Papademos (sane).

Eighty years ago, in your country, the two hundred families of the Bank of France pursued a policy of economic terrorism. Whenever there was even an idea of a government of the left, all capital would come pouring across the borders and out of the country. A right-wing government was needed, of course; how could there possibly be economic confidence if the evil left were in charge?

I suspect that in 1934 you would have supported Gaston Doumergue's government as the sane option.

1. I don't support Papademos, I prefer him to a populist authoritarian nutjob.

2. The problem comes from the ability of unregulated markets to influence governments, for which action needs to be taken and hopefully will soon. Until this point, there is little national governments can do to counter this influence, and thus doing as they wish is probably the less worst option. Which, again, doesn't mean it's good.

[Insula Dei]

For perhaps a rather different (if rather shrill and at-times silly) perspective on Greece's new oh-so-wise "technocratic" government - read here: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/11/mark-ames-austerity-fascism-in-greece-%E2%80%93-the-real-1-doctrine.html

Or maybe a less obviously biased source might be better - such as, oh I don't know, The Anti-defamation league would be preferible.

(This is probably the wrong thread to post this, but I can't think of anywhere else atm. This should be given some attention at least).

Haha, what?! They let LAOS into government? Oh, the hilarity. I mean the humanity. No laughing matter, of course.

The first article is a bit out there in terms of conspiracy thinking, but I did like the axe thing. It certainly added the extra touch. And now I understand that facebook status from a Greek friend about the fascists taking over...I didn't before.

In fairness though, you can't really rave too much about lack of democracy here. LAOS is a major party in Greece for some unfathomable reason.
 
To answer the poll, neither is my type of leader. I voted for Papademos somewhat reflexively but then regretted it. Papademos might be worse for his country and might also well have less benevolent intentions.

Is this about Makis 'the Hammer' Voridis*? Best detail of the way the Masters of the Earth are cracking down on Greece! (Obviously, the Masters have to work with the material they have, we should not be surprised if some of Wilders' scum is only a couple of years away from being minister in a 'democratic' government.)


*Reminds me of the unforgettable Frank van Hecke quote about his old friend 'Sadly, Makis had to build a career outside of politics.'

[Gustaf]

For perhaps a rather different (if rather shrill and at-times silly) perspective on Greece's new oh-so-wise "technocratic" government - read here: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/11/mark-ames-austerity-fascism-in-greece-%E2%80%93-the-real-1-doctrine.html

Or maybe a less obviously biased source might be better - such as, oh I don't know, The Anti-defamation league would be preferible.

(This is probably the wrong thread to post this, but I can't think of anywhere else atm. This should be given some attention at least).

Haha, what?! They let LAOS into government? Oh, the hilarity. I mean the humanity. No laughing matter, of course.

The first article is a bit out there in terms of conspiracy thinking, but I did like the axe thing. It certainly added the extra touch. And now I understand that facebook status from a Greek friend about the fascists taking over...I didn't before.

In fairness though, you can't really rave too much about lack of democracy here. LAOS is a major party in Greece for some unfathomable reason.
 
To answer the poll, neither is my type of leader. I voted for Papademos somewhat reflexively but then regretted it. Papademos might be worse for his country and might also well have less benevolent intentions.

Is this about Makis 'the Hammer' Voridis*? Best detail of the way the Masters of the Earth are cracking down on Greece! (Obviously, the Masters have to work with the material they have, we should not be surprised if some of Wilders' scum is only a couple of years away from being minister in a 'democratic' government.)


*Reminds me of the unforgettable Frank van Hecke quote about his old friend 'Sadly, Makis had to build a career outside of politics.'

Yes, it was about the Hammer.

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I have a rule against liking people who ally with admitted fascists.