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Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.
Nathan
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« on: November 19, 2011, 11:02:34 PM »

"Pro-labor Republican" is an oxymoron.

Actually, the New Jersey Republican party served the beck and call of the NJEA for almost 20 years. Some of the worst pieces of legislation in US History were passed and signed by Republicans.

Like Taft-Hartley, for example? (Well, not 'signed' by anybody...)
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« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2011, 12:03:53 AM »

"Pro-labor Republican" is an oxymoron.

Actually, the New Jersey Republican party served the beck and call of the NJEA for almost 20 years. Some of the worst pieces of legislation in US History were passed and signed by Republicans.

Like Taft-Hartley, for example? (Well, not 'signed' by anybody...)

In New Jersey Governor Tom Kean signed legislation artificially boosting the salaries of NJEA members. Governor Don Difrancesco signed legislation artificially boosting the pensions of state unions by 9%.

It's quite amusing how these people believe that legislation can increase their compensation but not decrease it. And then they go around claiming that compensation should be collectively bargained and not legislated.

Public sector unions will naturally side with whatever party that lets then feed at the trough.

Okay, that's hypocritical and a little slimy, but how do things like that come even remotely close to being 'some of the worst pieces of legislation in US history'?
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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2011, 02:38:18 AM »

Okay, that's hypocritical and a little slimy, but how do things like that come even remotely close to being 'some of the worst pieces of legislation in US history'?

Most legislation at least pretends to have some good intention. The 2001 legislation in particular was specifically and solely designed to prevent the NJEA from dictating the Democrats back into power. In addition the state of New Jersey openly and flagrantly violated SEC regulations.

It didn't even work.

Did anybody die because of it? Did anybody lose constitutional rights because of it? Did anybody get maimed by a grain thresher of some description because of it?

No?

Then it's still better than Taft-Hartley.


And Ohio disproved your delusion that most people have nothing but a burning extreme hatred for all public sector unions and want to slaughter all their members.

Certainly union busting seems to be more of an art rather than a science. The Virginia Democratic party successfully union busted in 1993 without dire ramifications.

Is this even a means for you, or is preventing institutions other than corporations from playing a role in the economy or workers' lives actually an end at this point?
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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2011, 04:41:33 PM »

Is this even a means for you, or is preventing institutions other than corporations from playing a role in the economy or workers' lives actually an end at this point?

This is the NJEA"s own internal memo on what they describe as a 'challenging' year (pre 2010) and still got everything they wanted on dozens of pieces of legislation.

http://www.aimitsolutions.com/njea/WestNewYorkEA/absolutenm/articlefiles/40-NJEA%E2%80%99s%20Legistative%20Successes.pdf


Nobody is on even footing with them. The end is to prevent New Jersey's continued outrageous growth in property tax from shellacking the middle class.

Has it ever occurred to you that the people who educate our children might in fact deserve to be to some extent an elite?
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« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2011, 12:27:18 AM »

Is this even a means for you, or is preventing institutions other than corporations from playing a role in the economy or workers' lives actually an end at this point?

This is the NJEA"s own internal memo on what they describe as a 'challenging' year (pre 2010) and still got everything they wanted on dozens of pieces of legislation.

http://www.aimitsolutions.com/njea/WestNewYorkEA/absolutenm/articlefiles/40-NJEA%E2%80%99s%20Legistative%20Successes.pdf


Nobody is on even footing with them. The end is to prevent New Jersey's continued outrageous growth in property tax from shellacking the middle class.

Has it ever occurred to you that the people who educate our children might in fact deserve to be to some extent an elite?

I might add, they are elite, even though some people bury their heads in the sand and pretend otherwise. Aggregate education expense is up over $120 billion in the last decade, about half of which has gone to 'instruction'.

http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d10/tables/dt10_183.asp
http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d10/tables/dt10_188.asp

You seem not to have understood my point. I was wondering if the concept had occurred to you, even if only in passing, that there might be good reasons why people in the business of teaching your children so that your family doesn't have to exist in a state of multigenerational illiteracy and poverty should want to be treated well relative to other types of workers like tax accountants.
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