Labor Unions Now Reaching Out to Republicans

[krazen1211]

"Pro-labor Republican" is an oxymoron.

Actually, the New Jersey Republican party served the beck and call of the NJEA for almost 20 years. Some of the worst pieces of legislation in US History were passed and signed by Republicans.

[krazen1211]

"Pro-labor Republican" is an oxymoron.

Actually, the New Jersey Republican party served the beck and call of the NJEA for almost 20 years. Some of the worst pieces of legislation in US History were passed and signed by Republicans.

Like Taft-Hartley, for example? (Well, not 'signed' by anybody...)

In New Jersey Governor Tom Kean signed legislation artificially boosting the salaries of NJEA members. Governor Don Difrancesco signed legislation artificially boosting the pensions of state unions by 9%.

It's quite amusing how these people believe that legislation can increase their compensation but not decrease it. And then they go around claiming that compensation should be collectively bargained and not legislated.

Public sector unions will naturally side with whatever party that lets then feed at the trough.

[krazen1211]

Okay, that's hypocritical and a little slimy, but how do things like that come even remotely close to being 'some of the worst pieces of legislation in US history'?

Most legislation at least pretends to have some good intention. The 2001 legislation in particular was specifically and solely designed to prevent the NJEA from dictating the Democrats back into power. In addition the state of New Jersey openly and flagrantly violated SEC regulations.

It didn't even work.

[krazen1211]

And Ohio disproved your delusion that most people have nothing but a burning extreme hatred for all public sector unions and want to slaughter all their members.

Certainly union busting seems to be more of an art rather than a science. The Virginia Democratic party successfully union busted in 1993 without dire ramifications.

[krazen1211]

"Pro-labor Republican" is an oxymoron.

Actually, the New Jersey Republican party served the beck and call of the NJEA for almost 20 years. Some of the worst pieces of legislation in US History were passed and signed by Republicans.

Like Taft-Hartley, for example? (Well, not 'signed' by anybody...)

In New Jersey Governor Tom Kean signed legislation artificially boosting the salaries of NJEA members. Governor Don Difrancesco signed legislation artificially boosting the pensions of state unions by 9%.

It's quite amusing how these people believe that legislation can increase their compensation but not decrease it. And then they go around claiming that compensation should be collectively bargained and not legislated.

Public sector unions will naturally side with whatever party that lets then feed at the trough.

What does "artificial" mean? Does the natural order not consist of payment for teachers?

These people ramble about the merits of payment via collective bargaining. Excess payment by other means is outside that process, and thus, artificial.

[krazen1211]

Is this even a means for you, or is preventing institutions other than corporations from playing a role in the economy or workers' lives actually an end at this point?

This is the NJEA"s own internal memo on what they describe as a 'challenging' year (pre 2010) and still got everything they wanted on dozens of pieces of legislation.

http://www.aimitsolutions.com/njea/WestNewYorkEA/absolutenm/articlefiles/40-NJEA%E2%80%99s%20Legistative%20Successes.pdf


Nobody is on even footing with them. The end is to prevent New Jersey's continued outrageous growth in property tax from shellacking the middle class.

[krazen1211]

Has it ever occurred to you that the people who educate our children might in fact deserve to be to some extent an elite?

That's a really good point, we all talk about the old days, when teachers was respected. That people forget was that the teacher was usual the best educated man in the community and often one of the most well paid too. A lot of the loss of respect for teachers have been the result of the move of teachers from well paid elite to low wage (at least for people with their education) public servant, the falling prestige also result in teachers have stopped being recruited among our best and brightest and have moved to recruit from the average students instead. If people want the old values and better education back in the schools, they need to start paying teachers a wage, which give it something of its old prestige back.

...and I say we because this isn't a unique American problem, it's something which exist in the entire West

Lol, what? Where do people come up with this tripe?

Teacher productivity has plummetted into the gutter compared to the 60s, 70s, and 80s.

http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=28

For public schools, the number of pupils per teacher—that is, the pupil/teacher ratio—declined from 22.3 in 1970 to 17.9 in 1985. After 1985, the public school pupil/teacher ratio continued to decline, reaching 17.2 in 1989. After a period of relative stability during the late 1980s through the mid-1990s, the ratio declined from 17.3 in 1995 to 16.0 in 2000. Decreases have continued since then, and the public school pupil/teacher ratio was 15.3 in 2008.


And on top of that, their salaries are much higher than they used to be in the 60s, 70s, and 80s.

http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d10/tables/dt10_082.asp

[krazen1211]

Teacher productivity? I'm lost for words.

The standard is quite obvious. The productivity of a teacher can reasonably be measured by the number of students one teachers. For some reason that number keeps declining.

[krazen1211]

Teacher productivity? I'm lost for words.

The standard is quite obvious. The productivity of a teacher can reasonably be measured by the number of students one teachers. For some reason that number keeps declining.

Is this satire?

The prior one alleging falsehoods about US teacher salaries might be. As is, well, just about anything from someone from Italy.

[krazen1211]

Is this even a means for you, or is preventing institutions other than corporations from playing a role in the economy or workers' lives actually an end at this point?

This is the NJEA"s own internal memo on what they describe as a 'challenging' year (pre 2010) and still got everything they wanted on dozens of pieces of legislation.

http://www.aimitsolutions.com/njea/WestNewYorkEA/absolutenm/articlefiles/40-NJEA%E2%80%99s%20Legistative%20Successes.pdf


Nobody is on even footing with them. The end is to prevent New Jersey's continued outrageous growth in property tax from shellacking the middle class.

Has it ever occurred to you that the people who educate our children might in fact deserve to be to some extent an elite?

I might add, they are elite, even though some people bury their heads in the sand and pretend otherwise. Aggregate education expense is up over $120 billion in the last decade, about half of which has gone to 'instruction'.

http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d10/tables/dt10_183.asp
http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d10/tables/dt10_188.asp