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« on: December 16, 2011, 12:02:55 AM »

Breaking on Twitter. RIP to a great journalist.
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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2011, 12:06:46 AM »

this hits me harder than I would have expected it to.
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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2011, 12:21:48 AM »

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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2011, 12:31:59 AM »


Cancer.
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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2011, 12:34:50 AM »


Homosexual dying of pneumonia associated with relatively uncommon cancer? I would not bet on AIDS having nothing to do with it.
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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2011, 12:46:44 AM »

I'm tempted to say "good riddance" since I'm not an atheist, but celebrating someones death is just plain wrong (unless it's Osama Bin Ladden).

So, RIP. Have the other 3 Horsemen (Harris, Dawkins, and Dennet) said anything?
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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2011, 01:21:42 AM »
« Edited: December 16, 2011, 01:23:54 AM by Politico »

So apparently he was not a homosexual after all. I am not sure why I always associated that with him. Well, that, atheism and statism.
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« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2011, 01:26:48 AM »

So apparently he was not a homosexual after all. I am not sure why I always associated that with him. Well, that and atheism.

He admitted to being bisexual or dabbling in his Oxford days, however, this really has nothing to do with his cancer at all. Frankly it was a rather offensive suggestion.  If you want to look at why he got his cancer you may want to look at his prodigious alcohol and tobacco habit instead of his bed mates.
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« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2011, 01:33:26 AM »
« Edited: December 16, 2011, 01:36:01 AM by Politico »

So apparently he was not a homosexual after all. I am not sure why I always associated that with him. Well, that and atheism.

He admitted to being bisexual or dabbling in his Oxford days, however, this really has nothing to do with his cancer at all. Frankly it was a rather offensive suggestion.

Well, I am sorry you were offended, but some folks are aware of the dirty little secret of a certain group that would like everybody to believe everything is fine when everything is really not. It's just a matter of time before that dirty little secret is out of the closet, so to speak. The drugs only work for so long (and there will never be a cure). Contrary to popular myth, it's not like taking insulin for diabetes.
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« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2011, 01:35:19 AM »

this hits me harder than I would have expected it to.

Might be the PBR.

Anyway, RIP. Surprised he made it as long as he did in that condition.
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« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2011, 01:39:06 AM »

So apparently he was not a homosexual after all. I am not sure why I always associated that with him. Well, that and atheism.

He admitted to being bisexual or dabbling in his Oxford days, however, this really has nothing to do with his cancer at all. Frankly it was a rather offensive suggestion.

Well, I am sorry you were offended, but some folks are aware of the dirty little secret of a certain group that would like everybody to believe everything is fine when everything is really not. It's just a matter of time before that dirty little secret is out of the closet, so to speak. The drugs only work for so long.

I should hope you display more sober judgment in relation to your bigotry tomorrow morning, so to speak.
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« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2011, 01:42:18 AM »
« Edited: December 16, 2011, 01:46:58 AM by Politico »

So apparently he was not a homosexual after all. I am not sure why I always associated that with him. Well, that and atheism.

He admitted to being bisexual or dabbling in his Oxford days, however, this really has nothing to do with his cancer at all. Frankly it was a rather offensive suggestion.

Well, I am sorry you were offended, but some folks are aware of the dirty little secret of a certain group that would like everybody to believe everything is fine when everything is really not. It's just a matter of time before that dirty little secret is out of the closet, so to speak. The drugs only work for so long.

I should hope you display more sober judgment in relation to your bigotry tomorrow morning, so to speak.

Hey, I am not judging or even making value statements. I am certainly not bigoted. I am only an observer. In fact, the whole thing deeply saddens me. The complacency is going to cost a lot of lost lives. It is just completely outrageous and frustrating, even though I recognize it is ultimately not my problem.
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« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2011, 01:48:10 AM »

So apparently he was not a homosexual after all. I am not sure why I always associated that with him. Well, that and atheism.

He admitted to being bisexual or dabbling in his Oxford days, however, this really has nothing to do with his cancer at all. Frankly it was a rather offensive suggestion.

Well, I am sorry you were offended, but some folks are aware of the dirty little secret of a certain group that would like everybody to believe everything is fine when everything is really not. It's just a matter of time before that dirty little secret is out of the closet, so to speak. The drugs only work for so long (and there will never be a cure). Contrary to popular myth, it's not like taking insulin for diabetes.

Which dirty secret is out of what closet? That AIDS is more prevalent in the gay population than in the straight population? I think that cat's been out of the bag for coming on three decades now.
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« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2011, 01:56:10 AM »
« Edited: December 16, 2011, 02:09:23 AM by Politico »

So apparently he was not a homosexual after all. I am not sure why I always associated that with him. Well, that and atheism.

He admitted to being bisexual or dabbling in his Oxford days, however, this really has nothing to do with his cancer at all. Frankly it was a rather offensive suggestion.

Well, I am sorry you were offended, but some folks are aware of the dirty little secret of a certain group that would like everybody to believe everything is fine when everything is really not. It's just a matter of time before that dirty little secret is out of the closet, so to speak. The drugs only work for so long (and there will never be a cure). Contrary to popular myth, it's not like taking insulin for diabetes.

Which dirty secret is out of what closet? That AIDS is more prevalent in the gay population than even the gay population is aware? I think that cat's been out of the bag for coming on three decades now.

It's more than just that. It's spreading like wildfire again, but either nobody knows or nobody cares. The whole prevalence, even the whole threat of the virus itself, is kept hush-hush by drugs that people think have taken care of the problem. Unfortunately, contrary to popular myth, it is not like "Oh, I have diabetes now, so I'll just take insulin for the rest of my life." These drugs will only work for so long. They simply delay the end result. Eventually the drugs will stop working and then what? How many people are going to needlessly end up dying this time around because of people not wanting to believe there is a threat/problem? I bring up the subject in a roundabout, soft way and get labelled a bigot for doing so. No wonder nobody wants to talk about what is happening. In fact, I am finished with the subject myself because it is not really my problem and I am not particularly interested in being labelled a bigot.
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« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2011, 02:04:02 AM »

I was never a fan, but it appears that puts me on the same side of an issue as Politico. 

May he RIP and I shall miss him dearly. Cry
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« Reply #15 on: December 16, 2011, 02:07:11 AM »

So apparently he was not a homosexual after all. I am not sure why I always associated that with him. Well, that and atheism.

He admitted to being bisexual or dabbling in his Oxford days, however, this really has nothing to do with his cancer at all. Frankly it was a rather offensive suggestion.

Well, I am sorry you were offended, but some folks are aware of the dirty little secret of a certain group that would like everybody to believe everything is fine when everything is really not. It's just a matter of time before that dirty little secret is out of the closet, so to speak. The drugs only work for so long (and there will never be a cure). Contrary to popular myth, it's not like taking insulin for diabetes.

Which dirty secret is out of what closet? That AIDS is more prevalent in the gay population than even the gay population is aware? I think that cat's been out of the bag for coming on three decades now.

It's more than just that. It's spreading like wildfire again, but either nobody knows or nobody cares. The whole prevalence, even the whole threat of the virus itself, is kept hush-hush by drugs that people think have taken care of the problem. But those drugs will only work for so long. Eventually the drugs will stop working and then what? How many people are going to needlessly end up dying this time around? I bring up the subject in a roundabout, soft way and get labelled a bigot for doing so. No wonder nobody wants to talk about what is happening.

Your logic and phrasing is ridiculous.  Someone dies of cancer=AIDS=must be all that gay sex is the first thing that you post without apparently even knowing if he was gay or not.
You then proceed to speak of "a certain group" with a "dirty little secret'- why not just spell it out.  Why create an us versus them allusion? 

The way you brought it up was neither soft, roundabout and was completely out of place.

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« Reply #16 on: December 16, 2011, 02:14:19 AM »
« Edited: December 16, 2011, 02:18:20 AM by Politico »

So apparently he was not a homosexual after all. I am not sure why I always associated that with him. Well, that and atheism.

He admitted to being bisexual or dabbling in his Oxford days, however, this really has nothing to do with his cancer at all. Frankly it was a rather offensive suggestion.

Well, I am sorry you were offended, but some folks are aware of the dirty little secret of a certain group that would like everybody to believe everything is fine when everything is really not. It's just a matter of time before that dirty little secret is out of the closet, so to speak. The drugs only work for so long (and there will never be a cure). Contrary to popular myth, it's not like taking insulin for diabetes.

Which dirty secret is out of what closet? That AIDS is more prevalent in the gay population than even the gay population is aware? I think that cat's been out of the bag for coming on three decades now.

It's more than just that. It's spreading like wildfire again, but either nobody knows or nobody cares. The whole prevalence, even the whole threat of the virus itself, is kept hush-hush by drugs that people think have taken care of the problem. But those drugs will only work for so long. Eventually the drugs will stop working and then what? How many people are going to needlessly end up dying this time around? I bring up the subject in a roundabout, soft way and get labelled a bigot for doing so. No wonder nobody wants to talk about what is happening.

Your logic and phrasing is ridiculous.  Someone dies of cancer=AIDS=must be all that gay sex is the first thing that you post without apparently even knowing if he was gay or not.
You then proceed to speak of "a certain group" with a "dirty little secret'- why not just spell it out.  Why create an us versus them allusion?  


He died of pneumonia associated with an uncommon form of cancer. This is extremely common among AIDS victims.

There's obviously no us versus them, it's a matter of life or death (NOT a partisan issue), and it is too bad you inferred that, but I figured that would happen no matter how I tried to broach the subject. There really is no way of kindly describing it but as a dirty little secret. It is maddening.

Anyway, I am done with this. Whenever I even attempt to bring up this subject, nobody wants to hear about it, but especially those who are most at risk.
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« Reply #17 on: December 16, 2011, 04:01:07 AM »

Wow, wasn't expecting that. Was discussing him with a friend just a couple of days ago.

RIP.
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« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2011, 04:17:46 AM »
« Edited: December 16, 2011, 05:02:37 AM by afleitch »

So apparently he was not a homosexual after all. I am not sure why I always associated that with him. Well, that and atheism.

He admitted to being bisexual or dabbling in his Oxford days, however, this really has nothing to do with his cancer at all. Frankly it was a rather offensive suggestion.

Well, I am sorry you were offended, but some folks are aware of the dirty little secret of a certain group that would like everybody to believe everything is fine when everything is really not. It's just a matter of time before that dirty little secret is out of the closet, so to speak. The drugs only work for so long (and there will never be a cure). Contrary to popular myth, it's not like taking insulin for diabetes.

Which dirty secret is out of what closet? That AIDS is more prevalent in the gay population than even the gay population is aware? I think that cat's been out of the bag for coming on three decades now.

It's more than just that. It's spreading like wildfire again, but either nobody knows or nobody cares. The whole prevalence, even the whole threat of the virus itself, is kept hush-hush by drugs that people think have taken care of the problem. But those drugs will only work for so long. Eventually the drugs will stop working and then what? How many people are going to needlessly end up dying this time around? I bring up the subject in a roundabout, soft way and get labelled a bigot for doing so. No wonder nobody wants to talk about what is happening.

Your logic and phrasing is ridiculous.  Someone dies of cancer=AIDS=must be all that gay sex is the first thing that you post without apparently even knowing if he was gay or not.
You then proceed to speak of "a certain group" with a "dirty little secret'- why not just spell it out.  Why create an us versus them allusion?  


He died of pneumonia associated with an uncommon form of cancer. This is extremely common among AIDS victims.

There's obviously no us versus them, it's a matter of life or death (NOT a partisan issue), and it is too bad you inferred that, but I figured that would happen no matter how I tried to broach the subject. There really is no way of kindly describing it but as a dirty little secret. It is maddening.

Anyway, I am done with this. Whenever I even attempt to bring up this subject, nobody wants to hear about it, but especially those who are most at risk.

You don't know jack sh-t.

I'm gay. I know about HIV/AIDS, I'm tested regularly, I'm involved in the promotion of gay mens health. HIV/AIDS is a risk to everyone, EVERYONE and you would be suprised, very suprised at the amount of straights who don't think any of the preventative measures applys to them

But you know what really gets me, don't you know his father died of the same cancer!

Anyway, I don't think R.I.P would be appropriate for Christopher. He know's that this it. His legacy is his work, his thoughts and the way he encouraged people to think. I admired Hitchens a great great deal. People often complained he was too 'agressive'; yeah he was forceful, but why shouldn't he be? Why should only people with faith be allowed to be passionate or to 'evangelise'? I won't forget watching him disarm the faithful in debate after debate. He made the same points time and time again because no one ever disproved them. He made the same points that the Stoics, the Greeks, the Enlightenment thinkers made for as long as man has argued about god and that encouraged me to read them for myself.

Thank you Christopher.
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« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2011, 05:31:39 AM »

RIP Christopher Hitchens.

I never agreed with all of his viewpoints, but there's no doubt that he contributed greatly to journalism and indeed society as a whole.
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« Reply #20 on: December 16, 2011, 05:51:57 AM »

I'm not sure how to react. A few months ago I would roll my eyes at continuing coverage of his slow decay, and wished he could just die already. Now that he's dead there is an emptiness as I realize maybe he had not said everything he had to say.

I always found Hitchens's flirt with atheism insignificant. Degrees more important was why he became enamoured with "fascism with an Islamic face". But he has written down almost everything he had to say, so hopefully the answer won't die with him.
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« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2011, 06:19:16 AM »

RIP.
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« Reply #22 on: December 16, 2011, 07:52:34 AM »

RIP Christopher Hitchens

There was a lot to dislike about the guy, but at least he was consistently amusing.
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« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2011, 08:13:13 AM »

I remember seeing him on Fox News backing Bush and my eyes nearly popped out of my head... He was someone who called what he saw to be bullsh**t wherever it was, we all got to admire that

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« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2011, 08:50:07 AM »

Nearly bought a book of his essays just last evening. In hindsight, I guess I probably should have.

What a loss for the human race.
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