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Bacon King
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« Reply #300 on: May 06, 2012, 03:42:09 PM »

42.69% reporting (8796/20605 precincts)
Big loser in this batch is ND; big gains for the commies suggest this is one of those areas where KKE always does well.

ND:         112   20.21%
SYRIZA:    49   15.90%
PASOK:    43    13.95%
ANEL:       32   10.40%
KKE:         25    8.37%
XA:           21    6.85%
DIMAR:     18    5.99%
LAOS:               2.89%
Greens:            2.81%
DISY:                2.50%
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« Reply #301 on: May 06, 2012, 03:59:14 PM »

New Democracy look about to fall under 20%, and SYRIZA above 16%.
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« Reply #302 on: May 06, 2012, 03:59:18 PM »

47.17% reporting (9720/20605 precincts)

PASOK loses a seat to KKE. ND and PASOK vote share is falling; SYRIZA biggest winner in this batch. DISY and Greens both inching towards the quota, while LAOS shows little movement

ND:  112    20.09%
SYRIZA:    49    15.99%
PASOK:    42    13.87%
ANEL:    32    10.42%
KKE:    26    8.37%
XA:    21    6.84%
DIMAR:    18    6.00%
LAOS:       2.88%
Greens:       2.82%
DISY:       2.57%

(I made the results an actual table so it looks nicer Smiley)
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« Reply #303 on: May 06, 2012, 04:23:23 PM »

About to post new results once the next batch of precincts come in and there's over 50% reporting, but here's minor party results right now:

DX!: 1.98% (centrists)
Drasi: 1.64% (liberal)
ANTARSYA: 1.16% (revolutionary communist)
parties without one percent: 5.37% (a wide variety, including Pirates, another Green party, a half dozen communist splinter groups, some perennial candidates, independent alliances, and the current parliamentary caucus KOISY)

My favorite minor party names would have to be "Renewing Independent Left, Renewing Right, Renewing Pasok, Renewing New Democracy, No to War, Party of Action, I Give Away Land, I Give Away Debts, Save Lives, Panagrarian Labour Movement of Greece" (perennial candidate) as well as "Communist Party of Greece (Marxist-Leninist) – Marxist-Leninist Communist Party of Greece" (a union of two splinter groups).
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« Reply #304 on: May 06, 2012, 04:28:21 PM »

52.54% reporting (10825/20605 precincts)

ND loses a seat to DIMAR. PASOK is falling dramatically, ND losing vote share as well. SYRIZA within four points of the lead now.

ND:  111    20.02%
SYRIZA:    49    16.09%
PASOK:    42    13.75%
ANEL:    32    10.45%
KKE:    26    8.36%
XA:    21    6.87%
DIMAR:    19    6.00%
LAOS:       2.87%
Greens:       2.83%
DISY:       2.54%
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« Reply #305 on: May 06, 2012, 04:35:04 PM »

My favorite minor party names would have to be "Renewing Independent Left, Renewing Right, Renewing Pasok, Renewing New Democracy, No to War, Party of Action, I Give Away Land, I Give Away Debts, Save Lives, Panagrarian Labour Movement of Greece" (perennial candidate) as well as "Communist Party of Greece (Marxist-Leninist) – Marxist-Leninist Communist Party of Greece" (a union of two splinter groups).

This party is cool to: ""Can't Pay, Won't Pay" Movement". Now because of the election result the negotiations for cabinet are going to be tough. I hope that SYRIZA is going to lead the cabinet. How could ND form a majority?
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« Reply #306 on: May 06, 2012, 04:40:42 PM »

I guess they can try to form a Europhile ND-PASOK-DIMAR government based on keeping Greece in the EU and minor tweeks in the deal with EU.
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« Reply #307 on: May 06, 2012, 04:46:11 PM »

55.96% reporting (11527/20605 precincts)

ND and PASOK vote share continue to collapse. SYRIZA gains a seat from DIMAR. Greens keep inching towards threshold and may soon overtake LAOS.

ND:  111    19.98%
SYRIZA:    50    16.12%
PASOK:    42    13.69%
ANEL:    32    10.44%
KKE:    26    8.38%
XA:    21    6.87%
DIMAR:    18    6.01%
LAOS:       2.87%
Greens:       2.84%
DISY:       2.53%
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« Reply #308 on: May 06, 2012, 04:48:54 PM »

I know this is a bit late to be asking, but what do the parties generally stand for?
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« Reply #309 on: May 06, 2012, 04:49:26 PM »

I guess the big question is whether more parties get in or not?
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« Reply #310 on: May 06, 2012, 04:54:51 PM »

If a non-ND government is formed this would be a case of the largest party not participating in government, I wonder when the last time that has happened in Europe.  If they didn't have the ridiculous seat bonus, I'm guessing it would be fairly likely that they wouldn't be able to form a coalition but I wonder with that seat bonus if they will have enough seats to form some weird coalition.
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« Reply #311 on: May 06, 2012, 04:57:07 PM »

If a non-ND government is formed this would be a case of the largest party not participating in government, I wonder when the last time that has happened in Europe. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_parliamentary_election,_2011
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« Reply #312 on: May 06, 2012, 04:57:19 PM »

I think having the seat bonus may actually make things more difficult... without it a SYRIZA-PASOK-KKE-DIMAR coalition might be able to get hobbled together.
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« Reply #313 on: May 06, 2012, 04:59:10 PM »

I think having the seat bonus may actually make things more difficult... without it a SYRIZA-PASOK-KKE-DIMAR coalition might be able to get hobbled together.

Hmmm, PASOK and KKE in the same cabinet would be interesting.
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« Reply #314 on: May 06, 2012, 05:00:23 PM »

If a non-ND government is formed this would be a case of the largest party not participating in government, I wonder when the last time that has happened in Europe. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_parliamentary_election,_2011

Even better example might be Belgium 2010:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_general_election,_2010
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« Reply #315 on: May 06, 2012, 05:00:44 PM »

I know this is a bit late to be asking, but what do the parties generally stand for?

Some blatant oversimplifications:

PASOK: center-left, pro-austerity, historically major party
ND: center-right, pro-austerity, historically major party
KKL: communist hard-liners, historically third party (with 7-8% vote ceiling)
SYRIZA: left, anti-austerity
DIMAR: center-left, somewhat ambiguous towards austerity
ANEL: right, anti-austerity
XA: fascist, anti-immigrant and anti-austerity
LAOS: right, anti-immigrant, somewhat ambiguous towards austerity
DISY: centrist to center-right, pro-austerity
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« Reply #316 on: May 06, 2012, 05:04:27 PM »

61.06% reporting (12581/20605 precincts)

ND and PASOK keep falling, SYRIZA keeps gaining; Greens almost overtaking LAOS.

ND:  111    19.80%
SYRIZA:    50    16.22%
PASOK:    42    13.65%
ANEL:    32    10.49%
KKE:    26    8.39%
XA:    21    6.89%
DIMAR:    18    6.02%
LAOS:       2.86%
Greens:       2.85%
DISY:       2.55%
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« Reply #317 on: May 06, 2012, 05:09:35 PM »

KKE would never have participated in any government, certainly not with PASOK and most definitely not with SYRIZA. KKE formally ruled out any coalition with anybody.
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« Reply #318 on: May 06, 2012, 05:15:31 PM »

"Renewing Independent Left, Renewing Right, Renewing Pasok, Renewing New Democracy, No to War, Party of Action, I Give Away Land, I Give Away Debts, Save Lives, Panagrarian Labour Movement of Greece" (perennial candidate)
Joke candidate?
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« Reply #319 on: May 06, 2012, 05:16:50 PM »

I wonder what will happen if ND and PASOK form another coalition?  If I were Greek I would scream bloody murder.
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« Reply #320 on: May 06, 2012, 05:21:12 PM »

Why is austerity bad, and what is the alternative?
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« Reply #321 on: May 06, 2012, 05:22:01 PM »

Parties in first by electoral district, sorted by percent reporting so far
90%-100% reporting: 6 total; 6 ND
80%-90% reporting: 7 total; 5 ND, 1 KKE, 1 SYRIZA
70%-80% reporting: 11 total; 8 ND, 2 PASOK, 1 SYRIZA
60%-70% reporting: 16 total; 11 ND, 5 SYRIZA
50%-60% reporting: 12 total; 6 ND, 2 PASOK, 4 SYRIZA
40%-50% reporting:4 total; 1 ND, 3 SYRIZA

Looks like the gap between ND and SYRIZA will continue to narrow.
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« Reply #322 on: May 06, 2012, 05:26:27 PM »

"Renewing Independent Left, Renewing Right, Renewing Pasok, Renewing New Democracy, No to War, Party of Action, I Give Away Land, I Give Away Debts, Save Lives, Panagrarian Labour Movement of Greece" (perennial candidate)
Joke candidate?

Indeed.

Why is austerity bad, and what is the alternative?

People hate it because it's caused massive cuts in pensions, minimum wage, and universal tax hikes while the economy is in the hole and unemployment is astronomical. No alternative though that doesn't involve leaving the Eurozone, and even then there'd still be horrible economic repercussions. (or, that's my understanding anyway, don't know too much about the details).
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« Reply #323 on: May 06, 2012, 05:27:32 PM »

"Renewing Independent Left, Renewing Right, Renewing Pasok, Renewing New Democracy, No to War, Party of Action, I Give Away Land, I Give Away Debts, Save Lives, Panagrarian Labour Movement of Greece" (perennial candidate)
Joke candidate?

Indeed.

Why is austerity bad, and what is the alternative?

People hate it because it's caused massive cuts in pensions, minimum wage, and universal tax hikes while the economy is in the hole and unemployment is astronomical. No alternative though that doesn't involve leaving the Eurozone, and even then there'd still be horrible economic repercussions. (or, that's my understanding anyway, don't know too much about the details).
So, PASOK and ND are the best?
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« Reply #324 on: May 06, 2012, 05:28:40 PM »



Says 1000 words.
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