Greece 2012

[jaichind]

As votes continue to come in the trend is for SYRIZA to gain at the expense of PASOK whereas ND stays around the same.  It should be the affect of Athens coming in where ND and SYRIZA are strong and PASOK is weak.

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

Why doesn't PASOK just forma  coalition with SYRIZA?

They probably will if SYRIZA manages to win. But that is looking more and more unlikely.

[You kip if you want to...]

Why doesn't PASOK just forma  coalition with SYRIZA?

They'd only have like 100 seats and you need 151 for a majority.

[The Mikado]

37.5% in:

ND: 30.53
SYRIZA: 25.99
PASOK: 12.87
ANEL: 7.41
Golden Shower: 6.95
DIMAR: 6.01
KKE: 4.43

[Dereich]

How is joining a rightwing government not suicide for PASOK?

Why is what PASOK has done up to now not electoral suicide? If they can survive 2 elections with a viable leftist alternative it can survive an ND-PASOK government.

[Silent Hunter]

Official government projection - 29.6% ND, 27.1% Syriza.

[TheParliamentarian]

Syriza is closing the gap however...   i see a 3rd election...

[minionofmidas]

30.50 to 26.00 atm. Lol.

[You kip if you want to...]

KKE heading for the worst result in it's history. lol.

[You kip if you want to...]

ND spokesperson saying there's gonna ask Syriza for a grand coalition. No chance.

[The Mikado]

40.2% in:

ND 30.45
SYRIZA 26.04
PASOK 12.85
ANEL 7.43
Nazis 6.96
DIMAR 6.04
KKE 4.39
OTHER 5.83

[jaichind]

Reading the article below, if there is a third election because PASOK refuses to join ND then it is the fault of the 2 large parities and not itself, at least according to PASOK.


     June 17 (ANA-MPA) -- PASOK should not participate in any
government that did not have the Radical Leftist Coalition
(SYRIZA) within it, top flight PASOK cadre Anna Diamantopoulou
said during a discussion with reporters at PASOK's offices on
Sunday.
     Asked whether the country could withstand a third round of
elections, Diamantopoulou said that responsibility for forming
a government belonged to the two 'big' parties and that SYRIZA
should take on responsibility for leading the country to
elections.
     She noted that the ND-PASOK coalition could not work again
because it had been 'battered' by the people and that the
country could not be governed by 41 percent of the electorate
with 59 percent opposed.

[Peter the Lefty]

Holy $h*t, what what the f--k have the PASOK folks been smoking?  Are they honestly hoping to provoke new elections?

[TheParliamentarian]

Panos Kammenos, leader of the Independent Greeks, a right-wing party that could have been in line to ally with New Democracy has told the press that the party is keen to support a government that will condemn the bailout agreements – that would in effect rule out a deal with New Democracy.

[Beet]

It would be nice if someone would actually step up to the plate in that country and not constantly try to shift the burden to someone else.

[Silent Hunter]

If this woman is reflecting PASOK's actual views, my guess is that the party is considering that any coalition with ND is going to damage it very badly electorally for a clear decade - and give Syriza a chance at a majority at the 2016 elections - because the bailout if it continues will hurt their working-class voters (of course, so too would a default).

[TheParliamentarian]

http://www.skai.gr/ekloges2012  great results table graphic thing here

[tpfkaw]

It would be nice if someone would actually step up to the plate in that country and not constantly try to shift the burden to someone else.

ND has, sort of.  (Besides the whole pandering/preparing to blame the Germans by saying they'll "renegotiate" the bailout agreement).

[Dereich]

Reading the article below, if there is a third election because PASOK refuses to join ND then it is the fault of the 2 large parities and not itself, at least according to PASOK.


     June 17 (ANA-MPA) -- PASOK should not participate in any
government that did not have the Radical Leftist Coalition
(SYRIZA) within it, top flight PASOK cadre Anna Diamantopoulou
said during a discussion with reporters at PASOK's offices on
Sunday.
     Asked whether the country could withstand a third round of
elections, Diamantopoulou said that responsibility for forming
a government belonged to the two 'big' parties and that SYRIZA
should take on responsibility for leading the country to
elections.
     She noted that the ND-PASOK coalition could not work again
because it had been 'battered' by the people and that the
country could not be governed by 41 percent of the electorate
with 59 percent opposed.

Thats interesting, because PASOK had no problem governing with 43% of the electorate in 2009

[Silent Hunter]

PASOK's leader has said that Syriza should be in any coalition - BBC.

[Peter the Lefty]

It would be nice if someone would actually step up to the plate in that country and not constantly try to shift the burden to someone else.

It is sad the way the Greek politicians' inability to step up is probably giving the Germans more reason to think that Greeks are just a bunch of lazy slackers. 

[Velasco]

She noted that the ND-PASOK coalition could not work again
because it had been 'battered' by the people and that the
country could not be governed by 41 percent of the electorate
with 59 percent opposed.

Thats interesting, because PASOK had no problem governing with 43% of the electorate in 2009

Not really a good comparison; PASOK and ND polled together almost 80% and 43% today.

[Beet]

She noted that the ND-PASOK coalition could not work again
because it had been 'battered' by the people and that the
country could not be governed by 41 percent of the electorate
with 59 percent opposed.

Thats interesting, because PASOK had no problem governing with 43% of the electorate in 2009

Not really a good comparison; PASOK and ND polled together almost 80% against 43% today.

Yeah but ND wasn't in government.

[Velasco]

ND was in the Papademos government if I am not wrong.

[Peter the Lefty]

ND was in the Papademos government if I am not wrong.

But not the Papandreau one.