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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 8,200
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Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

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« on: January 06, 2012, 06:30:15 PM »
Bill? What bill?
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

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« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2012, 02:11:14 AM »
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

WWW
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2012, 07:38:21 PM »
Quote from: RogueBeaver on January 10, 2012, 04:12:00 PM
From her comments, it sounds like she was a Dipper who didn't realize that ideologically, she's a Grit.
I was one of those
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

WWW
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2012, 01:45:56 PM »
According to the polls, the Liberals almost "took over" the "Orange Surge" before it was such a thing. Bloc voters desperately were looking for someone else to vote for a week into the election. The problem was Iggy. Had the Liberals had a good leader, we might had had a Liberal government.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

WWW
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2012, 06:38:52 PM »
Not just that he's a loudmouth and a fir... oh, I guess you covered that pretty well.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

WWW
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2012, 03:53:24 PM »
Coderre is not well known in RoC
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2012, 07:54:54 PM »
There are a number of fat white francos with bad haircuts in the Liberal Party, and every single one of them need to go.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2012, 08:39:24 PM »
No, he's alright. Mostly these are people from Montreal, or, who should be from Montreal.

Cauchon, Pettigrew, Belanger.

These people are the kind that if you told them they are "entitled" they'd slap you and say "no, we are VERY entitled", and beyond that, they, especially Coderre and Belanger, are the type that you think if you ever met them and shook hands with them that you hand would end up covered in disgusting slime even if they had just come out of the shower.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

WWW
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2012, 10:07:46 PM »
Doesn't mean I can't hate him.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

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« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2012, 02:00:28 PM »
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2012/01/15/19246886.html
liberals back preferential balloting

I am proud to be a card-carrying Liberal. Not only did we pick the good guy for President, but we have backed Preferential Balloting. Excellent. This is great news.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

WWW
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2012, 10:49:20 PM »
Aye.

There are a lot of election systems that we could reform to, but this is one that we could move to rather easily, and, it would advantage the Liberals in places like Ontario, but help the NDP even out west or in Quebec. Both parties would back it (though the NDP only as a step to something more) and it would have one huge benefit that would help it carry Quebec - it would truly end the Bloc and ensure it could never return.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

WWW
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2012, 10:17:22 PM »
When she said "NDP Attitudes" about certain things, the media was like "wha" but I know exactly what she means.

One small example is just after 9-11. I was on the PEI NDP executive, and they were discussing our reaction to the idea that the US might want to refuel airplanes going to and from Afghanistan on PEI.

I said that I didn't personally have a problem with that, but that I'd go along with what they agree, but that I don't think it's a big deal.

I just got cold stares from across the table. The President had to intervene as one of the other members looked like she was about to say something nasty.

Apparently, the debate was weather to protest loudly or even more loudly, because CLEARLY this idea HAS to be wrong. I got the feeling that just for disagreeing that somehow I was less of a man, that just for having this idea, that I MUST be stupid.

And that's just one incident on one issue.

That is why I left the NDP and still hate the NDP.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

WWW
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2012, 06:25:06 AM »
All the Liberal meetings I've been to were about strategy, sales, marketing, "how to win".

The one Conservative meeting I went to was very wide-ranging, focusing on what policies that would sell in the riding, selling strategies, and fundraising opportunities.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

WWW
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2012, 12:43:13 PM »
I'm not sure you catch what I mean. The NDP did talk about how to sell their ideas, but there was always this atmosphere of "because our policies will truly do good"
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

WWW
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2012, 12:51:56 PM »
Quote from: Holmes on January 18, 2012, 12:46:17 PM
... so people in Conservative and Liberal meetings don't believe their policies will do good? Then why advocate for them?
They believe that THEY can do good.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

WWW
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2012, 09:37:22 AM »
Think Mother Teresa VS a Flower Child.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

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« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2012, 12:24:32 PM »
Quote from: Hatman on January 19, 2012, 11:28:18 PM
there is a rumour that Laureen is had a lesbian affair with an RCMP officer

I laughed so hard at reading this that I needed to use my asthma puffer just to be able to breathe properly.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

WWW
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2012, 10:15:14 PM »
PC Party in first, Hudak in third. Clearly the party needs a competent leader. If they can find one even I might back them.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

WWW
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2012, 09:46:42 PM »
Quote from: Chemistry & Sleep Deprivation on January 22, 2012, 05:07:03 PM
Gérard Deltell is not agreeing than the 3rd party leader is the most popular.
Aye, nor is Raj Sherman, or... um.... the Green?/Conservative? leader in BC, or the... uh... Liberal?/Green? leader in Saskatchewan.... Victor something? Nor is the... Liberal?? leader in Manitoba, or the NDP leader in NB (whoever that is these days) or the... uh... insert-third-placed-party in Nova Scotia... or the ... Greens? on PEI??

At least Lorraine Michael is popular!! whoo!!!
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

WWW
« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2012, 10:45:53 PM »
Baille or something is the NSPC leader, and he's been attacked for being right-wing (too right-wing). PEI Greens is Labchuck, MB Lib either is or was Gerrard (did he resign?), SK Greens is Victor Lau and Liberals is/was Ryan Bater, BC Greens is Sterk and Tories is Cummins. I was joking to make a point Tongue
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

WWW
« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2012, 10:48:38 PM »
A lot of the mistrust of Rae from the left is that he was a sell out, and was not left-wing enough. I do think that centre-left people would be willing to vote NDP if anti-Rae TV commercials shake them off the Liberals.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

WWW
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2012, 11:10:24 PM »
Uniform swing is the worst way possible to predict canadian elections.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

WWW
« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2012, 12:48:26 AM »
My model has the problem of not yet being complete Tongue

http://esm.ubc.ca/CA15/forecast.php

The easiest way to do it is to go to this link.

Don't do any swing, just reduce each party below 1.000

Then re-balance each province, so that the pop vote equals the poll.

In reality, the whole ElectoMatic is just a fancy machine that does what I've just explained. I built it to save myself time and so I could do these calcs offline.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

WWW
« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2012, 12:54:35 AM »
Until then I trust my co-blogger
http://blunt-objects.blogspot.com/2012/01/hd-poll-32-29-25.html
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

WWW
« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2012, 07:04:24 AM »
If the Liberals were to sell themselves properly - IE as the pill to keep the government sane, whatever it's stripe - then this could gain support in the party. I would certainly back the idea.
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