Canada General Discussion

[MaxQue]

Ok, well all 3 parties have a rural base. I was perhaps thinking of the PLQ base in the Eastern Townships, but CAQ has a rural base in the Chaudiere-Appalaches and PQ has a rural base everywhere else.

The PLQ base in Eastern Townships is Anglophones, which are moving elsewhere for the youngs and dying for the olds. Also, French people are moving there, for ski, for the universities in Sherbrooke, for the lakes...

[MaxQue]

Ok, well all 3 parties have a rural base. I was perhaps thinking of the PLQ base in the Eastern Townships, but CAQ has a rural base in the Chaudiere-Appalaches and PQ has a rural base everywhere else.

The PLQ base in Eastern Townships is Anglophones, which are moving elsewhere for the youngs and dying for the olds. Also, French people are moving there, for ski, for the universities in Sherbrooke, for the lakes...

How many Anglos are still there though? Not a majority. I guess if 90% of Anglos vote Liberal there, + the average amount of Franco Liberal voters = win in the Eastern Townships.

Ok, well all 3 parties have a rural base. I was perhaps thinking of the PLQ base in the Eastern Townships, but CAQ has a rural base in the Chaudiere-Appalaches and PQ has a rural base everywhere else.

The PLQ base in Eastern Townships is Anglophones, which are moving elsewhere for the youngs and dying for the olds. Also, French people are moving there, for ski, for the universities in Sherbrooke, for the lakes...

How many Anglos are still there though? Not a majority. I guess if 90% of Anglos vote Liberal there, + the average amount of Franco Liberal voters = win in the Eastern Townships.

It's very variable depending where you are there. All Eastern Townships were English majority at a point, I think, through.

Estrie (the administration region of Eastern Townships, except Brome-Missisquoi and Haute-Yamaska MRCs): 7.6%

Cities:
Sherbrooke: 4.9%
Magog: 6.7%
Coaticook: 4.9%
Lac-Mégantic: 1.3%
Windsor: 3.7%

MRC (counties):
Coaticook (South-East): 11.1%
Le Granit (Lac-Mégantic, Far East): 1.6%
Le Haut-Saint-François (Cookshire-Eaton, Est, includes suburbs): 11.4%
Les Sources (Asbestos, North, former mining area): 4.1%
Le Val-Saint-François (Richmond, North-West, includes suburbs): 8.2%
Memphrémagog (Magog, South-West): 16.0%
Brome-Missisquoi: 20.1%
La Haute-Yamaska: 3.9%

Federal ridings:
Brome-Missisquoi: 16.0%
Shefford: 3.5%
Richmond-Arthabaska: 3.3%
Sherbrooke: 3.2%
Mégantic-L'Érable: 1.5%
Compton-Stanstead: 12.2%

So, anglophones declined much there. Most of them are in rural areas, too. In some areas, their weight is not significant.

[MaxQue]

Ok, well all 3 parties have a rural base. I was perhaps thinking of the PLQ base in the Eastern Townships, but CAQ has a rural base in the Chaudiere-Appalaches and PQ has a rural base everywhere else.

The PLQ base in Eastern Townships is Anglophones, which are moving elsewhere for the youngs and dying for the olds. Also, French people are moving there, for ski, for the universities in Sherbrooke, for the lakes...

How many Anglos are still there though? Not a majority. I guess if 90% of Anglos vote Liberal there, + the average amount of Franco Liberal voters = win in the Eastern Townships.

Ok, well all 3 parties have a rural base. I was perhaps thinking of the PLQ base in the Eastern Townships, but CAQ has a rural base in the Chaudiere-Appalaches and PQ has a rural base everywhere else.

The PLQ base in Eastern Townships is Anglophones, which are moving elsewhere for the youngs and dying for the olds. Also, French people are moving there, for ski, for the universities in Sherbrooke, for the lakes...

How many Anglos are still there though? Not a majority. I guess if 90% of Anglos vote Liberal there, + the average amount of Franco Liberal voters = win in the Eastern Townships.

It's very variable depending where you are there. All Eastern Townships were English majority at a point, I think, through.

Estrie (the administration region of Eastern Townships, except Brome-Missisquoi and Haute-Yamaska MRCs): 7.6%

Cities:
Sherbrooke: 4.9%
Magog: 6.7%
Coaticook: 4.9%
Lac-Mégantic: 1.3%
Windsor: 3.7%

MRC (counties):
Coaticook (South-East): 11.1%
Le Granit (Lac-Mégantic, Far East): 1.6%
Le Haut-Saint-François (Cookshire-Eaton, Est, includes suburbs): 11.4%
Les Sources (Asbestos, North, former mining area): 4.1%
Le Val-Saint-François (Richmond, North-West, includes suburbs): 8.2%
Memphrémagog (Magog, South-West): 16.0%
Brome-Missisquoi: 20.1%
La Haute-Yamaska: 3.9%

Federal ridings:
Brome-Missisquoi: 16.0%
Shefford: 3.5%
Richmond-Arthabaska: 3.3%
Sherbrooke: 3.2%
Mégantic-L'Érable: 1.5%
Compton-Stanstead: 12.2%

So, anglophones declined much there. Most of them are in rural areas, too. In some areas, their weight is not significant.

Another way of looking at it would be English (or non-French) ancestry.

Well, a Francophone having English ancestry isn't really different from another Anglophone. There was a couple of influent PQ members which had an English ancestry, looking at their name (Robert Burns, Pierre-Marc Johnson...)

[MaxQue]

QSF has backed down.

It's not like if they had any choice. They claimed they were having that position until FIFA decision.

[MaxQue]

Well, if anyone in the NDP would have that personality, it'd easily be Mulcair.

Isn't NDP full of union leaders? At least, in Quebec, they tend to have terrible personalities (the union leaders).

[MaxQue]

More capitalist freedom for workers.

Construction workers aren't poor, really. They have very good conditions. Anyways, we have no proof than the workers are backing the strike, as the system is totally biaised. Workers vote for an union every 2 years and the leadership may do as they want. A general strike just needs the agreement of the leadership of unions having a weight of 50%. There is no consultation of the workers.

And I can see why the government wants to force it back, since all construction industry is paralysed, which can be quite problematic, as you can see.

[MaxQue]

ON leader, Jean-Martin Aussan, resigned as leader and left political life.

Also, a CROP poll in Quebec. (http://www.lapresse.ca/fichiers/4663151/perception.pdf)

Marois approval: 28-68
PLQ 38, PQ 25, CAQ 22, QS 11, ON 4

Harper approval: 26-72
Liberals 42, NDP 32, Bloc 15, Conservatives 8, Greens 3

[MaxQue]

I hope people do heed the warnings and stay safe!

Sadly, already 3 fatalities and I read than one person is missing after falling in water in Calgary. Western Pyrénées have the same kind of flooding right now. All the rain falling on mountains in running down in the valleys.

[MaxQue]

Laurent Blanchard becomes mayor of Montreal

30 votes for him (VM), 28 for Chilitian (former UM) and 3 for Cowell-Poitras (former UM). Croteau (PM) and de Sousa (former UM) withdrew before the vote. Croteau endorsed Blanchard, de Sousa endorsed Chitilian.

Apparently, the deal is than PM supported VM candidate in exchange of support for the office of President of the Executive Council (for Josée Duplessis, city councillor for DeLorimier, in the Plateau borough). That office is being vacated by Laurent Blanchard.

So, if that works, the three parties have one of three higher offices (Blanchard (VM) is mayor, Chilitian (UM) is President of the Municipal Council and Duplessis (PM) would be the President of the Executive Council).

[MaxQue]

Let's note than Laurent Blanchard left his party when he announced his run.

[MaxQue]

Dexter's government has been quite "Red Tory"-like, which I think any first term NDP government should govern like. (fix previous govt's problems).

So we have you on record now, stating that the only way to fix government problems is to govern like a Tory? [/trolling]

If only Tories were fiscally responsible...
They aren't and are using public money to help their allies, like most parties (here, it's banks, churches and oil companies).

[MaxQue]

Laval continues to look silly, now the mayor is complaining to the police than escorts attempted to extort him.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/06/27/alexandre-duplessis-prostitute_n_3513462.html

[MaxQue]

New Nanos poll.

Liberals 34, Conservatives 29, NDP 25, Green 6, Bloc 4.

Atlantic: Liberal 40, NDP 35, Conservatives 22, Green 4 (caution, small sample)
Québec: Liberal 35, NDP 30, Bloc 15, Conservatives 13, Green 8
Ontario: Liberal 41, Conservative 29, NDP 22, Green 7
Prairies: Conservatives 54, Liberal 25, NDP 17, Green 3
BC: Conservatives 31, NDP 30, Liberals 28, Green 11

[MaxQue]

Trudeaumania already dying down, especially in QC.

I wouldn't say it yet, but that's looking like it. Surprised, expected Trudeaumanis to not show its first failing signs before October-November.

[MaxQue]

Interim Laval mayor Alexandre Duplessis has resigned due to a prostitution scandal which involved extortion and cross-dressing. More to come. Well beyond The Onion's wildest dreams. Come on Toronto, try and keep up.

News reports seems to be than Martine Beaugrand is the favorite to succeed him. She is one of the two municipal councillors which didn't took part into the illegal financing schemes at Laval (on 21 councillors), according to a witness at the Charbonneau inquiry. Previously working in some health habits social entreprise which organise well-known events about exercise, alimentation and somking.

[MaxQue]

I hate to ask but...is Alexandre Duplessis any relation?

Would doubt it. Maurice had no kids and was from Trois-Rivières area. Alexandre Duplessis family are important powerbrokers in Laval since decades. Given than mobility was quite low before Quiet Revolution and than Duplessis is a common last name, I would lean towards no.

I would also suppose than news would have reported it, if they were related.

[MaxQue]

Well, he has an house in that area, no?

[MaxQue]

I dont understand why Quebecers love shock jocks so much... but Huntingdon isn't even in the right wing part of Quebec, how did this guy get elected?

If you thing than municipal races are based on ideology in Quebec...
In Montréal, yes, elsewhere, no.

[MaxQue]

I dont understand why Quebecers love shock jocks so much... but Huntingdon isn't even in the right wing part of Quebec, how did this guy get elected?

If you thing than municipal races are based on ideology in Quebec...
In Montréal, yes, elsewhere, no.

They're just basically popularity contests then? What about Quebec City or some of the mid-sized cities like Sherbrooke or Three Rivers?

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Even if the votes aren't ideological, some elections are fought on local issues (which sometimes aren't ideological, but on mergers, autocratic mayors, labor issues, some controversial projects...).

Quebec City politics are simple. You're with Labeaume or against him.
Sherbrooke has quite rocky municipal politics, with lots of people, representing various interest groups and groups of voters, the one with the biggest coalition wins. Trois-Rivières is like Quebec City, either you're with the mayor or against him.

[MaxQue]

I doubt it. Greens are too high and first ool to have BQ over 20% since a while.

[MaxQue]

Former Option Nationale leader, Jean-Martin Aussant, is back to the job he was doing before he entered politics. High-ranking position for Morgan Stanley in London.

I don't see how a person can be the leader of an hard-left party and working at Morgan Stanley.

[MaxQue]

Last I checked ON was more pur-et-dur than hard-left, unlike QS. Plus I'm sure his economic views aren't terribly out of sync with his constituents. While we're on the subject of #polqc economic views, Couillard attacked the PQ from the left- no, not a typo- as "pseudo-social democrats." ROFLMAO.

They were asking free universities and nationalize plenty of things.

[MaxQue]

I'm thinking 60-40 for the pull being plugged in the Spring. What do you guys think about Quebec?

Spring. Liberals wants an election this fall, but, with municipal elections, it's not really possible except in December.

However, I doubt very much than next Marois' budget will pass. So, spring.

[MaxQue]

FFS PQ. Price controls? In 2013?

Well the separatists have never been known for their competence in economics.

It's not as if the Liberals were any better. As least PQ reached balanced budget.

[MaxQue]

Did anyone really expect Marois to not be a train wreck?

She is better than Charest.