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« Reply #2175 on: November 07, 2013, 09:09:49 pm »

If it damages all 3 parties though... I'd be curious what'd happen in provincial voting intentions if she rolled that particular dice.

Speaking of ON voting intentions, Ipsos pegs 34/3131. Among "very likely" voters 38/31/27.. Wynne's approval is 37%, leading preferred premier w/31 to Horwath's 29 and Hudak's 28. Any idea what the seat projection would look like? Tories are collapsed in the GTA w/23% to the OLP's 38% and NDP's 35%.
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« Reply #2176 on: November 07, 2013, 09:17:13 pm »

Ducasse would make sense, if he wants to do it. Recognizable candidates, fundraising, logistics, the usual. I guess a small-target strategy to start, like QS at its outset? PQ/QS/left PLQ are the targeted voters, after all.
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« Reply #2177 on: November 07, 2013, 09:18:08 pm »

Who would ultimately lead such a thing?

Pierre Ducasse, maybe? Isn't he the one who's taking the charge? He'd make a great leader.

Pierre Ducasse could, he finished his book presentation tour and declined to run in municipal elections in Gatineau, as some expected he would do.
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« Reply #2178 on: November 07, 2013, 09:25:15 pm »

He'd be a welcome presence in the leaders' debates IMO, and in provincial political debate generally. As it is David is the only remotely relatable leader. Will temporarily try and park my usual views on multiparty systems and minority govt, just to see how this turns out. Tongue
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« Reply #2179 on: November 07, 2013, 09:33:35 pm »

I wonder if he could win a riding like Hull. QS gets good numbers there, but nowhere near enough to win.
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« Reply #2180 on: November 07, 2013, 09:42:07 pm »

QS got only 8% there last year. You would need to collapse one of the major party votes, which certainly won't be easy.
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« Reply #2181 on: November 08, 2013, 06:01:31 am »

Megan Leslie: The biggest problem facing women is this kind of crap.
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« Reply #2182 on: November 08, 2013, 08:22:43 am »

Leslie and Chisholm say no to the provincial leadership, Stoffer uncertain but I'd guess he doesn't run either.

NDP reiterates their Keystone opposition.
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« Reply #2183 on: November 08, 2013, 08:24:27 am »

Who is to blame for Rob Ford? Ford Nation of course (also George Smitherman's campaign incompetence and David Miller, for not running again): http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/11/05/who-is-to-blame-for-this-mess-in-toronto/
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« Reply #2184 on: November 08, 2013, 10:05:52 am »

Trudeau goes the full Tom Friedman on China. Then says that the questions at the fundraiser "weren't as fluffy as some were expecting." ROFLMAO.

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« Reply #2185 on: November 08, 2013, 01:43:05 pm »


Hope Stoffer doesn't run, he's hugely popular here.
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« Reply #2186 on: November 08, 2013, 06:04:56 pm »

No one is asking Alexa?

Stoffer would be a great choice. I'd fear we'd lose his seat in a by-election though.
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« Reply #2187 on: November 08, 2013, 06:08:20 pm »

Cullen and Simms formally decline a provincial run.
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« Reply #2188 on: November 08, 2013, 06:42:18 pm »

No one is asking Alexa?

Stoffer would be a great choice. I'd fear we'd lose his seat in a by-election though.

Alexa's 69 and wouldn't face the voters until age 73. Kind of pushing it IMO.

Stoffer's seat is a mix of blue collar suburb and rural areas; not a Liberal friendly seat. Quitting while the Tories are down in the dumps is probably the best option. Or did you mean you thought it'd be better for him to wait till 2015 to resign because Justin will be receiving more negative press?
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« Reply #2189 on: November 08, 2013, 09:00:32 pm »

Didn't his riding just go Liberal in the provincial election? What's to say that voters wont go Liberal federally?
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« Reply #2190 on: November 08, 2013, 09:41:03 pm »

Didn't his riding just go Liberal in the provincial election? What's to say that voters wont go Liberal federally?

I suppose you're right. It's definitely a Stoffer riding, so there's a potential for it to swing hard Liberal like Timberlea-Prospect did. OTOH there's 3 ex NDP MLA's that could be candidates Wink
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« Reply #2191 on: November 10, 2013, 06:17:25 pm »

Senate scandal



Rob Ford scandal



Justin Trudeau China gaffe

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« Reply #2192 on: November 10, 2013, 06:19:43 pm »

The JT China gaffe isn't getting any traction, I'm afraid. Much to David Aikin's dismay on Twitter.
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« Reply #2193 on: November 10, 2013, 06:41:12 pm »

It is. Chinese and Tibetan community groups are demanding apologies and it's been roiling through the media since Thursday. Then he's calling journalists "breathtakingly cynical" on Twitter for daring to treat Palinesque foreign policy gaffes as, well, Palinesque foreign policy gaffes. Usually pissy self-righteousness we saw with the separatist thing last year. Then Bob Fife said on QP this morning that Trudeau's been complaining to journalists that they're being too critical. ("Chutzpah" is putting it extremely mildly) That's without discussing the family history on certain authoritarian regimes (PRC, Cuba, Vichy, Iran).
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« Reply #2194 on: November 10, 2013, 06:46:44 pm »

I feel like "Trudeau is complaining that journalists are being too critical" has become a constant thing at this point. What does he expect reporters to do, hand-feed him grapes?
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« Reply #2195 on: November 10, 2013, 07:14:05 pm »

It isn't like he lacks media rationalizers and/or defenders, and not just from the usual quarters. Detracts from things of longer-term relevance: for instance, he announced over the weekend that he supports abolition of mandatory minimums and a carbon tax. (Seems to forget '08, but he'll be reminded) None of which made a splash outside the Sun, at least not yet. Of course, this is all kid stuff compared to a GE, especially the leaders' debates.
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« Reply #2196 on: November 10, 2013, 07:28:44 pm »

I firmly believe JT is covered in a thick layer of Teflon coating at this point. But, we'll see.
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« Reply #2197 on: November 10, 2013, 07:49:11 pm »

It is. Chinese and Tibetan community groups are demanding apologies and it's been roiling through the media since Thursday.

What impact might this have in the vicinity of Markham?

Edit: And Richmond, BC, for that matter?
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« Reply #2198 on: November 10, 2013, 08:46:24 pm »

It is. Chinese and Tibetan community groups are demanding apologies and it's been roiling through the media since Thursday.

What impact might this have in the vicinity of Markham?

Edit: And Richmond, BC, for that matter?

Won't help the Grit battle to regain votes in those communities, that's for sure.
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« Reply #2199 on: November 10, 2013, 09:33:47 pm »

Chinese vote is as good as gone for the Liberals, I think. I can't see them being within his coalition.
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