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« Reply #2225 on: November 15, 2013, 09:12:19 am »

Tory's people held a high-profile strategy session yesterday, though Tory himself says he wasn't involved. Grits and Tories are onboard, including PC strategists and Liberal ministers.
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« Reply #2226 on: November 15, 2013, 11:20:45 am »

Ford has been stripped of most of his powers by Council. Wynne said yesterday that she would hypothetically move only if a) Council makes a specific request b) all-party consent in the Legislature. B isn't happening, obviously.
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« Reply #2227 on: November 15, 2013, 02:41:34 pm »

Ford has been stripped of most of his powers by Council. Wynne said yesterday that she would hypothetically move only if a) Council makes a specific request b) all-party consent in the Legislature. B isn't happening, obviously.

Why not? Are the Tories afraid of alienating Toronto voters? I know they need to win a few seats in the 416 to win the election, but I don't see it being an unpopular move outside of Toronto.

Hypothetical "Ford Nation" types outside of Toronto are going to be less likely to like Rob Ford than within. They just know him through the media, and wouldn't be familiar with his populist appeal.
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« Reply #2228 on: November 15, 2013, 05:08:33 pm »

So apparently Charlie Sheen is now supporting the mayor

This is my favourite political scandal of all time. Makes even the Blago scandal look boring.
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« Reply #2229 on: November 15, 2013, 09:51:35 pm »

Hands down it's the greatest scandal of all time.
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« Reply #2230 on: November 15, 2013, 09:57:38 pm »

We Quebecers have some pretty interesting scandals in our past and present, but they mostly involve money and/or organized crime.
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« Reply #2231 on: November 15, 2013, 10:04:42 pm »

We Quebecers have some pretty interesting scandals in our past and present, but they mostly involve money and/or organized crime.

Which is down right boring compared to sex, drugs and alcohol.
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« Reply #2232 on: November 15, 2013, 10:08:46 pm »

Andrew Leslie may run in Orleans or the new west Ottawa riding. Baird is leaning towards the central Nepean one, Poilievre the reconfigured Nepean-Carleton.
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« Reply #2233 on: November 16, 2013, 08:14:46 am »

Baird represented that area provincially, but it's not like his current riding is being abolished or anything.
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« Reply #2234 on: November 16, 2013, 09:14:04 pm »

Mulcair compares Canada/Quebec to UK/Scotland, says he'll stand by Sherbrooke and "wipe the floor" with Trudeau on that question. He wants Grits to name their clarity and %, which no Grit has ever mentioned. Naturally certain Very Serious Journalists are being verbally puritanical as usual. Though I don't think anyone doubts Mulcair would kick Trudeau's ass in a debate more free-flowing than the current leaders' setup, just as Harper and his top lieutenants do in QP.
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« Reply #2235 on: November 16, 2013, 10:40:49 pm »

Ford has been stripped of most of his powers by Council. Wynne said yesterday that she would hypothetically move only if a) Council makes a specific request b) all-party consent in the Legislature. B isn't happening, obviously.

Why not? Are the Tories afraid of alienating Toronto voters? I know they need to win a few seats in the 416 to win the election, but I don't see it being an unpopular move outside of Toronto.

Hypothetical "Ford Nation" types outside of Toronto are going to be less likely to like Rob Ford than within. They just know him through the media, and wouldn't be familiar with his populist appeal.

Many people in the 905 are likely basically as familiar with Ford's background as people in the city itself. It's not as if places like Mississauga or Markham have their own local TV stations or daily papers.
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« Reply #2236 on: November 17, 2013, 12:45:41 am »

Ford has been stripped of most of his powers by Council. Wynne said yesterday that she would hypothetically move only if a) Council makes a specific request b) all-party consent in the Legislature. B isn't happening, obviously.

Why not? Are the Tories afraid of alienating Toronto voters? I know they need to win a few seats in the 416 to win the election, but I don't see it being an unpopular move outside of Toronto.

Hypothetical "Ford Nation" types outside of Toronto are going to be less likely to like Rob Ford than within. They just know him through the media, and wouldn't be familiar with his populist appeal.

Many people in the 905 are likely basically as familiar with Ford's background as people in the city itself. It's not as if places like Mississauga or Markham have their own local TV stations or daily papers.

True, but people in the 905 don't have to actually think about voting in Toronto elections, so their perceptions are going to be slightly different. They aren't affected by Toronto taxes, so aren't going to be as knee-jerk against downtown Toronto elites to the point of electing someone like Rob Ford. Different story if the 905 were within the City of Toronto.


The existence of someone like Rob Ford could only really happen on a municipal level. His level of outspokeness would never have been tolerated withing the confines of a political party.  Closest thing to that would be the Mike Harris government. 

That doesn't mean Rob Ford types wouldn't be successful outside Toronto. We had Larry O'Brien in Ottawa. I know many people here support Ford's policies, unfortunately.
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« Reply #2237 on: November 17, 2013, 04:34:14 am »

I had to look up what "the 905" was; useful to know.

Rob Ford isn't 'outspoken', he's an offensive trainwreck who should not be holding office in any city.
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« Reply #2238 on: November 17, 2013, 11:26:02 am »

Politically, the 905 is the traditional bellwether region of the province. So, it gets a lot of attention by political pundits.
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« Reply #2239 on: November 18, 2013, 07:21:26 pm »

Dunno why Ivison spent a whole column restating the obvious Lib/NDP ideological incompatibility, but to each their own.
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« Reply #2240 on: November 18, 2013, 07:35:35 pm »


It's a stock column for people who don't want to write yet another Rob Ford story.
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« Reply #2241 on: November 18, 2013, 10:14:41 pm »

Something that never ceases to amaze my Maritie parents is Toronto's awful unemployment rate. Many non AB/SK cities including Halifax and Ottawa have lower unemployment rates than the big TO

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« Reply #2242 on: November 19, 2013, 08:52:40 am »

PLQ is embracing Bouchard-Taylor, banning religious symbols for authority figures, despite an intraparty divide. They're doing this because their position doesn't have the requisite public support.
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« Reply #2243 on: November 19, 2013, 09:23:17 am »

Something that never ceases to amaze my Maritie parents is Toronto's awful unemployment rate. Many non AB/SK cities including Halifax and Ottawa have lower unemployment rates than the big TO

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YEAH! TAKE THAT TORONTO!

Actually, at this point, I can only pity the big smoke.
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« Reply #2244 on: November 19, 2013, 10:33:57 am »

Anyone read the declassified Cabinet documents on abortion? Nothing really surprising that Epp and MacDougall led their respective factions, though anything now would probably get shot down by the Supremes on Charter grounds, IIRC McLachlin has hinted as much.
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« Reply #2245 on: November 19, 2013, 01:01:27 pm »

I had to look up what "the 905" was; useful to know.

Using area codes as commonplace shorthand like this is a very Canadian phenomenon.
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« Reply #2246 on: November 19, 2013, 02:52:47 pm »

I had to look up what "the 905" was; useful to know.

Using area codes as commonplace shorthand like this is a very Canadian phenomenon.

But not exclusively Canadian:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_code_404#Pop_Culture_References
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_code_619#In_popular_culture
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« Reply #2247 on: November 19, 2013, 07:49:48 pm »

Maclean's Parliamentarians of the Year Awards ceremony was held tonight. Stoffer is POTY, Alexander Rising Star, Baird Best Orator, Cuzner Most Collegial, Kenney Most Knowledgeable, Hsu Best Represent Constituents, May Hardest-Working, and Milliken gets Lifetime Achievement.

Unsurprisingly, the Globe still dislikes Sherbrooke.
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« Reply #2248 on: November 19, 2013, 08:35:49 pm »

Anyone read the declassified Cabinet documents on abortion? Nothing really surprising that Epp and MacDougall led their respective factions, though anything now would probably get shot down by the Supremes on Charter grounds, IIRC McLachlin has hinted as much.

No but I'd be interested. Link?
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« Reply #2249 on: November 19, 2013, 09:01:41 pm »

Here you go.
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