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« Reply #2300 on: November 29, 2013, 12:55:28 pm »

OLP wants Trudeau to help them at election time. Guess running on a tax increase isn't as fun as it sounded.
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« Reply #2301 on: December 01, 2013, 10:36:19 am »

Looks like Horwath is finally ready to go for gold and pull the plug this spring. "I've made it clear that I'm seeking the job of premier." another Ipsos or NanoWe need s poll here. As a reminder, here's the one from last month. Something for everyone in there.
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« Reply #2302 on: December 01, 2013, 11:07:28 pm »

Ontario Dippers: does Horwath really think she could win? Those Ipsos LV numbers suggest a certain type of Horwath surge could lead to a Tory government.
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« Reply #2303 on: December 01, 2013, 11:36:24 pm »

Ontario Dippers: does Horwath really think she could win? Those Ipsos LV numbers suggest a certain type of Horwath surge could lead to a Tory government.

The NDP hasn't had this much of a chance of winning since 1990, so yes. I have seen polls over the last couple of years that showed a 3 way race, with all three parties in the low 30s.
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« Reply #2304 on: December 01, 2013, 11:42:35 pm »

As always it'll be won in the campaign, and no one's really opened up on the NDP yet. More generally I'd like to be cautiously optimistic. Tongue
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« Reply #2305 on: December 02, 2013, 12:21:24 pm »

Ontario Dippers: does Horwath really think she could win? Those Ipsos LV numbers suggest a certain type of Horwath surge could lead to a Tory government.

The NDP hasn't had this much of a chance of winning since 1990, so yes. I have seen polls over the last couple of years that showed a 3 way race, with all three parties in the low 30s.
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« Reply #2306 on: December 02, 2013, 04:22:48 pm »

Congrats OLP, you're doubling hydro prices!
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« Reply #2307 on: December 02, 2013, 05:35:12 pm »


The BC "free-entreprise coalition" is proposing to raise them by 27%, too.
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« Reply #2308 on: December 02, 2013, 05:42:07 pm »

More inane provincial ideas: PQ wants to limit the discounts on books.
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« Reply #2309 on: December 02, 2013, 05:53:42 pm »

The Parti Quebecois: F[inks] economics, f[inks] the anglos, and f[inks] the foreigners.
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« Reply #2310 on: December 02, 2013, 06:13:06 pm »

Speaking of that, Duceppe has a mixed view of the charter. Some of it goes too far, other parts not far enough. Remembering that everyone's fairly close together.
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« Reply #2311 on: December 02, 2013, 06:18:46 pm »


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« Reply #2312 on: December 03, 2013, 12:31:56 pm »

U de M and Sherbrooke reject the PQ's odious document.
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« Reply #2313 on: December 03, 2013, 04:58:06 pm »

Anyone catch the debate on Chong's PMB? I'm with Funke.
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« Reply #2314 on: December 04, 2013, 03:14:54 pm »

Yellow siren: Ivison says that Harper may resign after he returns from Israel, though the PMO denies this obviously. Rather strangely, apparently Kenney does not want the leadership and would play kingmaker instead. Which goes against everything else I've ever read or thought I knew about the party's leadership. All of this is to be believed if seen, like the often-rumoured Flaherty departure. Personally I think Harper should lead as long as the party has confidence in him and we still have a majority. This would make for an interesting leadership race if Kenney indeed stays out: which Blue would step up?
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« Reply #2315 on: December 04, 2013, 03:19:37 pm »

Anyone catch the debate on Chong's PMB? I'm with Funke.

Indeed. #teamfunke

Never heard of that site before, though- but since I'm FB friends with her, I saw it posted on my feed.
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« Reply #2316 on: December 04, 2013, 03:27:52 pm »

What do you think of the Tory leadership speculation? I guess Baird would have to reconsider. Raitt maybe?
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« Reply #2317 on: December 04, 2013, 04:50:25 pm »

What do you think of the Tory leadership speculation? I guess Baird would have to reconsider. Raitt maybe?

Some of the also-rans might throw their names in if it isn't a coronation. Alexander is the prime example.
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« Reply #2318 on: December 04, 2013, 05:27:46 pm »

What do you think of the Tory leadership speculation? I guess Baird would have to reconsider. Raitt maybe?

Some of the also-rans might throw their names in if it isn't a coronation. Alexander is the prime example.

You think Alexander would run? Plus Bernier and Moore.
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« Reply #2319 on: December 04, 2013, 05:41:32 pm »

What do you think of the Tory leadership speculation? I guess Baird would have to reconsider. Raitt maybe?

Some of the also-rans might throw their names in if it isn't a coronation. Alexander is the prime example.

You think Alexander would run? Plus Bernier and Moore.

Well I didn't mean him specifically, I just meant that people who wouldn't have had a chance against Kenney will have to reconsider. Alexander running against Kenney is battling it out with Moore, Prentice etc for 2nd. Not much incentive to run. The same race without Kenney at least gives him a fighting chance of breaking away from the pack in a crowded race.
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« Reply #2320 on: December 04, 2013, 05:59:00 pm »

I have a lot of respect for Alexander. The only thing is, he is not in a safe seat by any stretch of the imagination. His seat was divided into Ajax, and the new Pickering-Uxbridge (including bits of Pickering-Scarborough East and Durham), and the safer of the two seats, Pickering-Uxbridge is still only 46% Conservative, according to pollmaps.ca. Ajax is slightly less safe, but if he takes P-U, than the existing P-SE MP would likely challenge, whereas they could both have seats if he runs in Ajax. Regardless, they are not safe and he'd have to work to hold it - which would reduce the time he can spend campaigning across the country.
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« Reply #2321 on: December 04, 2013, 06:21:36 pm »

Those current numbers are awful for we Tories in Ontario, though of course a lot will change in 18 months. The biggest names for the next leadership contest are all secure. It seems strange that Kenney, who has been pegged the heir apparent for so long, wouldn't run. Were it anyone but Ivison I wouldn't buy it for a second.
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« Reply #2322 on: December 04, 2013, 07:32:44 pm »

Wait, is Harper stepping down or something?

Kenney is seen as the frontrunner in any potential leadership, right?  I think someone like Trudeau would destroy him in popularity. I can think of a few better candidates who would make better leaders. His reputation may be tarnished a bit, but Peter McKay would be the best challenger to Trudeau's charisma.
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« Reply #2323 on: December 04, 2013, 07:50:34 pm »

Surely you troll? Kenney would destroy Trudeau in any substantive debate, as always happens in the House.
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« Reply #2324 on: December 04, 2013, 08:04:10 pm »

Surely you troll? Kenney would destroy Trudeau in any substantive debate, as always happens in the House.

Didn't say Kenney would not beat Trudeau in a debate, as he probably would. He just doesn't have that 'je ne sais quoi' that Trudeau has. There's a reason he's leading in the polls, and it is very much to the chagrin of his opponents like you and I.
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