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« Reply #2425 on: December 25, 2013, 02:29:03 am »


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Its cover is illustrated with a turkey.
  Does the French language not have the same negative connotations of idiocy with the turkey bird that English does.  I wouldn't think that they would want to suggest that Bill 60 is a turkey.

A turkey indeed have negative connatations, but, most likely, given the time of year, people will think of the food.
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« Reply #2426 on: December 25, 2013, 03:51:24 pm »

It's tradition in Canada to eat turkey on Christmas. It's removed enough from Thanksgiving (which is in early October) so as to not be repetitive.
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« Reply #2427 on: December 27, 2013, 08:51:22 am »

NP is right about Harper's protectionist follies. Meanwhile the MB NDP is tanking to quarter-century lows, even in Winnipeg. PCs lead 41/29. I doubt any OLP will be handcuffed before spring.
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« Reply #2428 on: December 27, 2013, 09:02:07 am »

Oh, the perpetual noices from the free traders wanting to destroy Canadian agriculture on the altar of ideology. Sure, prices may be lower, but how much person will grow poorer because of it?
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« Reply #2429 on: December 27, 2013, 09:08:42 am »

A few thousand farmers in a handful of what are for Tories safe or irrelevant ridings, as MHF pointed out in her paper. I don't really see the political risk for Harper.
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« Reply #2430 on: December 27, 2013, 10:19:53 pm »

Hebert's 5 to watch: Wynne, Marois, Harper, Kenney, Wright. Maybe she should've swapped Wynne with Horwath, since Horwath will decide whether or not the OLP runs its full term.
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« Reply #2431 on: December 28, 2013, 08:12:35 pm »

Flanagan has a flippant blurb on Chong's bill, while also calling the Oz/NZ caucus leadership system "Third World antics." Ugh.

The author of PET's charter likes Marois'.
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« Reply #2432 on: December 28, 2013, 08:31:54 pm »

It's tradition in Canada to eat turkey on Christmas. It's removed enough from Thanksgiving (which is in early October) so as to not be repetitive.

Poor Canadian turkeys...
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« Reply #2433 on: December 30, 2013, 12:51:35 pm »

Interesting year-end # from Nanos and Ipsos.

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« Reply #2434 on: December 30, 2013, 01:52:11 pm »

Refresh my memory, Roguebeaver; did any opposition party talk about corruption during the last election? I seem to remember a wave of pundits saying how the Liberals needed to stick to more bread-and-butter issues. The extent to which the Senate Scandal has hurt Harper is a good signal against this: it's not that Canadians don't care about the state of democracy, but that it should be framed in terms of trust.

Kind of surprised at the 45/55 numbers on Mulcair's handling of the economy. Of course, now that U.S. growth figures are surpassing Canada's, we're going to see some convergence.


I'll offer up two pieces of news: The gay pressure group in the Conservative Party and George Smitherman's husband found dead. The second is lurid and hopefully bring up talk about mental health again. The first is typical, but I'll have to point out how they're all gay white males.
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« Reply #2435 on: December 30, 2013, 03:02:14 pm »

Corruption per se: don't think so. One thing that mystifies me is why the media hasn't really touched on Grit support for a carbon tax. Alas, they'll be reminded when the time comes.
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« Reply #2436 on: December 30, 2013, 09:49:33 pm »

Which province is more likely to vote next year: Ontario or Quebec? I'm rather skeptical that either third party will pull the trigger.
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« Reply #2437 on: December 30, 2013, 10:46:43 pm »

Speaking of which, more NDP minority talk at the Star. Wonder which side of Rorange they'll endorse when the time comes.
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« Reply #2438 on: December 30, 2013, 11:34:15 pm »

Which province is more likely to vote next year: Ontario or Quebec? I'm rather skeptical that either third party will pull the trigger.

Ontario. Legault would have to be suicidal to pull the trigger.
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« Reply #2439 on: December 31, 2013, 12:18:20 pm »

Ontario will definitely go. With all the talk about Quebec going in the Fall, isn't it likely they will go too?
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« Reply #2440 on: December 31, 2013, 12:28:11 pm »

Depends whether Legault sticks to his high-stakes demands or chickens out. Marois said the budget won't come down till late March. Between that and other things like the charter public hearings, a vote probably wouldn't happen till June. I'll predict that the PQ is reelected with either a strong minority or small majority, Ontario is a minority regardless of who wins. As usual, I'm pessimistic about Ontario after the past 2 campaigns.
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« Reply #2441 on: December 31, 2013, 05:49:21 pm »

I think the Liberals will win a majority in Quebec.
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« Reply #2442 on: December 31, 2013, 05:59:11 pm »

Premier Horwath would be too good to be true, so of course it'll never happen.
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« Reply #2443 on: December 31, 2013, 06:03:17 pm »

Philippe-flop's awfully catchy, don't you think? Tongue

Year-end interviews with Trudeau and May. Worth noting the Grit open nominations system though I doubt anyone gets a high-profile challenge, as fun as that'd be to watch. Just as meaningless as replacing de jure with de facto appointments.
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« Reply #2444 on: January 06, 2014, 04:50:20 pm »

I have a question about the Bloc Qébécois. Wherever I've seen them referred to in any depth, they're always referred to as a left or center-left party. Is that true though? Or in reality do they act more as a big-tent party with the general idea of "Quebecness" (sure there's a better word) overriding left-right political differences?

It just always struck me that they must be the latter, or else they wouldn't have been able (in the past at least) to win such impressive victories in the province as a whole. Would those who would vote for Coalition Avenir Québec at the provincial level still vote for the BQ in the federal elections? (ignoring the 2011 federal, lolz)

Also--just a random thought--what party would a conservative nationalist in Quebec vote for? As in a conservative with a more traditionalist streak--not a free market conservative but let's say a traditional Catholic who wants more autonomy for Quebec? Would they feel comfortable voting for BQ? Of course, there may not be enough traditionalist Catholic sovereigntists in Quebec to justify the existence of this question Tongue
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« Reply #2445 on: January 06, 2014, 08:13:42 pm »

Hi.

First off, we've started a new thread, but I'll address your questions anyways.

The BQ is generally left of centre, because most sovereigntists are left of centre. There are some right wing sovereigntists, but not many. They are theoretically a big tent party.

I'm sure many BQ voters voted CAQ on the provincial level, although the strongest CAQ areas were also the strongest Conservative areas, so the Tories are obviously their main federal counterpart.

To answer your last question, why wouldn't a Quebec social conservative vote Conservative like anywhere else in the country? Or are you confusing the PQ (provincial) with the BQ (federal)? Provincially, a social conservative sovereigntist is a rare breed.  Not sure who they would vote for. I know RB abstains from voting, but he might be a federalist. He's been mum as to why he doesn't vote for CAQ, PLQ or the provincial conservatives (which are federalist, but a fringe party)
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« Reply #2446 on: January 06, 2014, 08:17:51 pm »

Well, the Bloc was more economically right-wing in the 90's and the outgoing leader was trying to return in the center, but now than he resigned, who knows what happens? But they are (or rather were) a big tent party, like PQ, for all Quebec nationalists, even right-wing ones. For them, independance is more important than other questions.

There is 2 types of CAQ voters. The suburban "soccer mom" families of Montreal suburbs, which clearly voted NDP federally the last time. Those aren't very ideological and they are soft nationalists. Current polling is suggesting than those voters will come back at PQ. The other type is in Quebec City area, which is voting NDP or Conservative.

For your third question, PQ, Liberals and CAQ are pretty at the same place on social issues, they are socially liberal (the Liberals are a little bit more conservative, but only a very little bit, so it doesn't matter). They are used to it and, as all parties think the same, this is never the subject of an election.

And the traditionnal Catholic is Francophone and sees Canadian multiculturalism as a threat to them and wants independance from the English and Protestant Canada. Traditionnal Catholics are very nationalist (but a minority in the independance movement).
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« Reply #2447 on: January 07, 2014, 10:48:34 am »

Hatman and MaxQue thank you, very helpful!
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« Reply #2448 on: January 07, 2014, 10:54:31 am »

Will Calgary finally be free of the embarrassment known as Rob Anders come 2015?
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« Reply #2449 on: January 07, 2014, 11:06:51 am »


a) Doubtful, the dude is good at winning nomination races, plus he's something of a safety valve for the base.

b) There's a new Canada GD thread here
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