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« Reply #50 on: January 10, 2012, 07:38:21 pm »

From her comments, it sounds like she was a Dipper who didn't realize that ideologically, she's a Grit.
I was one of those
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« Reply #51 on: January 10, 2012, 08:29:50 pm »

Quebec Dipper backbencher defects to the Grits. She represents the Strangler's old riding. IIRC this is the first defection since Blair Wilson's 4 years ago.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/01/10/pol-lib-rae-coderre.html

'Les électeurs ont voté pour Jack Layton. Jack Layton est mort.'

Jesus Christ. You stay classy, Mme St-Denis.

Yeah, pretty gross. Good riddance.
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« Reply #52 on: January 10, 2012, 08:32:55 pm »

I love how it looks even worse in French.
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« Reply #53 on: January 10, 2012, 08:34:20 pm »


That's exactly why I did a few minutes of Googling for the French version. It's impossible to say that sort of thing and seem remotely decent in most Romance languages.
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« Reply #54 on: January 10, 2012, 08:38:16 pm »

There's such a finality to the word "mort".

No by-elections. The riding shouldn't have to go to the polls for their MP being stupid and crossing the aisle.

They shouldn't get a say about that?

So what, a referendum when there's a defection about whether or not there should be a by-election, and then one if they want one?

No, just have a by-election. They're not getting what they voted for, so they ought to have a chance to voice their opinion.
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« Reply #55 on: January 10, 2012, 10:14:46 pm »
« Edited: January 10, 2012, 10:17:14 pm by Nathan »

There's such a finality to the word "mort".

It's the stop at the end in some dialects, like Old French, which I'm actually more familiar with morphologically than modern French because of my interest in the Middle Ages. Same reason 'dead' sounds more final than 'deceased' or 'late' and 'deceased' and 'late' are in turn harsher than 'passed away', which ends in an open syllable, or the noun form 'death'. In dialects where the T is silent, like modern standard French, the MAAWWR aspect is still kind of maudlin and depressing in a way that the curt Anglo-Saxon 'dead' really isn't.
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« Reply #56 on: January 11, 2012, 11:37:59 am »

LOL. If any federalist party supplants the Dippers in ROQ, it'll be we Tories.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/john-ibbitson/defection-reminds-ndp-and-liberals-its-quebec-or-bust/article2298466/
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« Reply #57 on: January 11, 2012, 01:17:29 pm »

What appeal do/could the Tories have in Quebec?
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« Reply #58 on: January 11, 2012, 01:27:28 pm »

What appeal do/could the Tories have in Quebec?

Provincial autonomy, coopting soft-to-middling nationalism. Harper gave up on Quebec apart from our small beachhead established in '06. The Liberal brand is toxic there not for ideological reasons or federalist ones IMO, but because of Adscam's lingering effects. As recently as 2000 Grits won 38/75 seats in Quebec.

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« Reply #59 on: January 11, 2012, 01:37:50 pm »

Surely the Liberal name was already mud as far as most Francophones were concerned, and had been since Trudeau did what he did over the Constitution?
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« Reply #60 on: January 11, 2012, 01:44:27 pm »

The Liberals always placed a close second under Chretien in terms of seats and votes in Quebec. As for PET, polls say that in retrospect, Quebecers like the effects of 1982 if not the methodology.
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« Reply #61 on: January 11, 2012, 01:45:56 pm »

According to the polls, the Liberals almost "took over" the "Orange Surge" before it was such a thing. Bloc voters desperately were looking for someone else to vote for a week into the election. The problem was Iggy. Had the Liberals had a good leader, we might had had a Liberal government.
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« Reply #62 on: January 11, 2012, 04:28:10 pm »

PM headed to China next month.

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites/quebec-canada/politique-canadienne/201201/11/01-4484813-stephen-harper-ira-en-chine-en-fevrier.php
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« Reply #63 on: January 11, 2012, 05:27:09 pm »

Hebert: Defection is symptomatic of a larger Dipper Quebec decline. They have been down in the polls in recent months, but we'll see whether that holds after March 24.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1114112--hebert-many-quebecers-who-voted-ndp-saw-dream-die-with-jack-layton
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« Reply #64 on: January 11, 2012, 06:20:41 pm »

LOL @ Kinsella's delusions. Coderre isn't feared, he's just a loudmouth and a first-rate asshole.

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/01/10/grits-off-to-a-positive-start-in-new-year
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« Reply #65 on: January 11, 2012, 06:38:52 pm »

Not just that he's a loudmouth and a fir... oh, I guess you covered that pretty well.
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« Reply #66 on: January 11, 2012, 06:50:11 pm »

Also: Coderre the best-known Liberal in Quebec? I'd say he's one of the lesser-known Pelciquistes alongside Paccetti and Scarpaleggia. The other 4 are household names nationwide.
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« Reply #67 on: January 11, 2012, 07:02:36 pm »

My offhand guess would be that the best-known Quebec Liberal would be Trudeau, if only because of the name.
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« Reply #68 on: January 11, 2012, 07:22:52 pm »

I'd rank name ID as follows: Trudeau, Dion, Cotler, Garneau.
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« Reply #69 on: January 11, 2012, 07:24:49 pm »

I hate when our backbenchers bring up social issues. If you're going to bring one up, at least bring up capital punishment where there's substantial support.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/mps-have-duty-to-debate-rights-of-unborn-backbench-tory-argues/article2299369/


Ontarians would beg to disagree.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/rae-rallies-liberals-with-effervescent-defence-of-his-ndp-record/article2299163/
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« Reply #70 on: January 11, 2012, 07:41:46 pm »

I'd rank name ID as follows: Trudeau, Dion, Cotler, Garneau.

Cotler is certainly not more well known than Coderre, at least as far as I know in Francophone QC circles (especially judging from my family, I doubt more than 1 or 2 people in my family know Cotler). He's probably more well known in Anglo circles, but not in Franco spheres.

Also, my MP is one of those useless retarded pro-life jokes. I guess being a pro-life idiot gives him something to do, because he sure as hell doesn't do anything of worth besides that.
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« Reply #71 on: January 11, 2012, 07:51:35 pm »

So put Garneau in third and the last depends on whether you're Franco or Anglo. I've never heard any Anglo I know, even the most political ones, mention Coderre.
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« Reply #72 on: January 11, 2012, 10:38:52 pm »

1) Trudeau 2) Dion 3) Garneau.  No one knows or cares who Coderre is in Anglo Canada.

Hebert: Defection is symptomatic of a larger Dipper Quebec decline. They have been down in the polls in recent months, but we'll see whether that holds after March 24.

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« Reply #73 on: January 12, 2012, 12:38:40 pm »

Didn't take long for the Conservatives to show their true face.
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« Reply #74 on: January 12, 2012, 03:38:05 pm »

I think than for French people Coderre is more known than Garneau.
Most people aren't aware than Garneau became an MP, while virtually everybody knows Coderre, as he the very definition of a media whore.
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