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« Reply #400 on: April 08, 2012, 02:52:47 pm »

If anyone's interested, Mulcair will be on Tout le monde en parle tonight.
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« Reply #401 on: April 08, 2012, 08:56:53 pm »

He forgot cap n'trade, but otherwise agreed.

http://www.vancouversun.com/Mulcair%2Bpaved%2Bpath%2BSussex/6428318/story.html
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« Reply #402 on: April 11, 2012, 06:08:49 pm »

NDP soaring in Quebec.

http://www.hilltimes.com/news/politics/2012/04/11/ndp-lead-all-parties-in-quebec-with-mulcair-as-leader/30412

Unless he becomes PM, yes.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1159792--walkom-can-the-ndp-s-stubborn-thomas-mulcair-keep-his-french-passport
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« Reply #403 on: April 15, 2012, 12:46:16 pm »

Mulcair said on QP that his new Shadow Cabinet will be unveiled next Monday. Might not get much attention thanks to Alberta.

On the Charter stuff: Liberals are imitating Diefenbaker's stance on the Red Ensign on that and other issues. Harper has changed our culture, adapt or (politically) die. Really.
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« Reply #404 on: April 19, 2012, 12:58:26 pm »

With the possible exception of the Bourassa blowhard, I can't think of any Pelciquistes who don't tow the Trudeauvian line on this subject.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/04/19/jeff-jedras-thomas-mulcair-federalist-champion-opens-opportunity-for-liberals/
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« Reply #405 on: April 19, 2012, 01:05:34 pm »

I'm pretty impressed with how Horwath is handling the budget. It's the Liberals' budget, but with the Tories firmly in the no category, Horwath is seen as the adult and is getting a lot of (more good than bad) press about her proposals. Doesn't hurt that the proposals are popular ones, too. New Forum poll shows Tories at 34, Dippers at 31 and Grits at 28. Hopefully when the electorate remembers Hudak is the leader of the PCs, they'll run away from them.
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« Reply #406 on: April 19, 2012, 01:12:02 pm »

She's not stupid, and forcing an election would be stupid from the NDP's POV. She can't prop him up forever though, as the fates of Iggy and David Lewis would remind her.
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« Reply #407 on: April 19, 2012, 05:06:11 pm »

Apparently, the big lines of the NDP new shadow cabinet is:

Deputy leaders: Libby Davies, David Chistopherson and Megan Leslie.
Parlimentary leader: Nathan Cullen.
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« Reply #408 on: April 19, 2012, 06:10:40 pm »

3 deputy leaders? Yeesh. Cullen's a good choice for House Leader though. Dewar and Nash are also resuming their previous roles at Finance and Foreign Affairs while Turmel becomes Chief Whip.

On another note, remind me why Harper hasn't fired MacKay yet. My best guess is that he's stripping away many of his powers while letting him twist in the wind. "Resignation by humiliation"- in which case it depends what lasts longer: the PM's patience or MacKay's self-regard.

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/04/19/john-ivison-peter-mackays-defence-reign-could-end-with-latest-dnd-embarrassment/
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« Reply #409 on: April 19, 2012, 06:44:55 pm »

Because MacKay has no power, as all other ministers.
All power is obviously held by the PMO.
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« Reply #410 on: April 19, 2012, 06:50:07 pm »

Because MacKay has no power, as all other ministers.
All power is obviously held by the PMO.

The ministers who Harper trusts have power. Even those who aren't on P&P like Ambrose, Finley and Raitt. Long past time that Harper end this spectacle and put someone else in there.
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« Reply #411 on: April 19, 2012, 07:23:53 pm »

Harper's governing style really reminds me of the Soviet or Chinese Politburo more than it does a Westminster Parliamentary system.
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« Reply #412 on: April 19, 2012, 07:30:59 pm »

Chretien was the same way- plenty of scandalous ministers (Jane Stewart anyone?) who he didn't fire because it would be admitting weakness. Most strong PMs with autocratic tendencies are. Martin had sloppy Cabinet discipline and it showed. Mulroney had a more relaxed leadership style in his first term but later admitted in his memoirs that with hindsight, Chretien's approach was better.
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« Reply #413 on: April 19, 2012, 07:47:11 pm »

She's not stupid, and forcing an election would be stupid from the NDP's POV. She can't prop him up forever though, as the fates of Iggy and David Lewis would remind her.

She knows it. Not that an election would be bad for the NDP - it would be bad for everyone. It's just been six months. But if she can get some of her proposals in, get press, and watch the NDP rise in the polls, why not milk it?
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« Reply #414 on: April 19, 2012, 07:57:39 pm »

She's not stupid, and forcing an election would be stupid from the NDP's POV. She can't prop him up forever though, as the fates of Iggy and David Lewis would remind her.

She knows it. Not that an election would be bad for the NDP - it would be bad for everyone. It's just been six months. But if she can get some of her proposals in, get press, and watch the NDP rise in the polls, why not milk it?

Prop the government up for eighteen months or two years so she can say "I've tried to work with them but the Premier is being stubborn and refusing to compromise for the benefit of the workers of Ontario who are doing it tough in this economic climate" as a justification when the time comes.
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« Reply #415 on: April 19, 2012, 09:19:39 pm »

At Issue tonight: the prison announcements and Chretien's merger support. I agreed with Coyne on merger- it will not happen before the next election, if that. Disagree with Hebert that Rae has worn out his welcome, since there's no one else in caucus willing to jump in.
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« Reply #416 on: April 20, 2012, 03:42:14 pm »


Desperate.

People should be calling for electoral reform, not a merger, but whatever.
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« Reply #417 on: April 20, 2012, 07:07:30 pm »

Electoral reform is, like, too complicated.
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« Reply #418 on: April 20, 2012, 07:50:14 pm »

Of course all the Liberals are for merger; it's the easiest way to get back into power despite the opinion of the electorate.
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« Reply #419 on: April 20, 2012, 07:52:54 pm »

I happen to think the Liberals and NDP aren't quite so ideologically compatible. Indeed, on economic, defence and national unity issues they're closer to we Tories. And as Coyne pointed out last night, they would have about as much influence in the new party as the old PCs do in ours. Namely none.

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« Reply #420 on: April 20, 2012, 07:57:28 pm »

I happen to think the Liberals and NDP aren't quite so ideologically compatible. Indeed, on economic, defence and national unity issues they're closer to we Tories. And as Coyne pointed out last night, they would have about as much influence in the new party as the old PCs do in ours. Namely none.



I agree. From what I know about the Liberals and the NDP, it'd work as well as Labour merging with the Liberal Democrats...
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« Reply #421 on: April 20, 2012, 08:12:51 pm »

Yep. If the Liberals hope for a comeback it won't be through cheap gimmicks like this.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/04/20/pol-mulcair-position-on-marijuana-decriminalization.html
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« Reply #422 on: April 20, 2012, 10:15:58 pm »

It certainly made me second guess my support of Mulcair initially.
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« Reply #423 on: April 21, 2012, 06:13:58 pm »

The Young Liberals are such potheads.
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« Reply #424 on: April 21, 2012, 06:25:42 pm »

IIRC they tried to push through C&T before Rae shot that down. So yeah, don't trust them to judge the politics of policy.

Another Coyne idea was for the Grits to hoist the national unity banner and run against the NDP's opposition to the Clarity Act. While I entirely agree with the principle, that's an electoral nonstarter in ROQ.
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