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« Reply #1500 on: June 17, 2013, 02:23:39 pm »

QP was also hilarious: Trudeau needs remedial debating lessons, because in a leaders' debate that would've been a self-nuke given how badly Moore pwned him (most non-Grits were literally facepalming), and Leitch needs to learn French if she wants a Cabinet post. Translator didn't even translate. The issues were Senate, Zajdel and charities.

Meanwhile Harper will probably come back without an FTA since both sides have tariff walls and various other things they don't want to tear down. Ugh.
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« Reply #1501 on: June 17, 2013, 02:50:51 pm »

QP was also hilarious: Trudeau needs remedial debating lessons, because in a leaders' debate that would've been a self-nuke given how badly Moore pwned him (most non-Grits were literally facepalming)

Do you have a link or can you give a recap of what they said?
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« Reply #1502 on: June 17, 2013, 03:25:59 pm »

I assume CPAC will have it up later. Questions were OK, but he was "leading with his chin", as Moore put it, by opening himself up for attack on the speaking fees issue. "Literally raising the bar" is where the facepalming happened, and Moore cracked a joke about raising the thermometer bar at those charity fundraisers.

Meanwhile Applebaum was just released from custody after spending most of the day in custody (dragged out of bed at 6 AM and interrogated most of the time since), no comment from him. Marois has demanded he resign but says there won't be trusteeship because Montreal has a director-general and opposition parties, which Laval didn't. There is legislation that allows the government to remove him directly but Marois said she hopes he resigns.
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« Reply #1503 on: June 18, 2013, 02:32:08 pm »

Applebaum is resigning right now.
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« Reply #1504 on: June 18, 2013, 02:52:32 pm »

Another "anti-corruption crusader" bites the dust as he turns out to be a corrupt crook. Good riddance.
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« Reply #1505 on: June 18, 2013, 03:02:47 pm »

True. My assumption is that no one's clean. In other news, Glover has bowed to the EC ruling and filed amended returns.  
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« Reply #1506 on: June 18, 2013, 03:06:05 pm »

Another "anti-corruption crusader" bites the dust as he turns out to be a corrupt crook. Good riddance.

It's hilarious how often that turns out to be the case, isn't it? One of the classics is still Swansea in the 1970s, of course: corruption scandals saw an entrenched Labour administration lose power in 1977 to a group of heroic anti-corruption independents. It soon emerged that many of these heroic anti-corruption independents were the same local businessmen who had been bribing members of the previous administration...
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« Reply #1507 on: June 18, 2013, 03:07:16 pm »

Another "anti-corruption crusader" bites the dust as he turns out to be a corrupt crook. Good riddance.

It's hilarious how often that turns out to be the case, isn't it? One of the classics is still Swansea in the 1970s, of course: corruption scandals saw an entrenched Labour administration lose power in 1977 to a group of heroic anti-corruption independents. It soon emerged that many of these heroic anti-corruption independents were the same local businessmen who had been bribing members of the previous administration...
L. M. A. O.
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« Reply #1508 on: June 18, 2013, 03:52:21 pm »

Add Eve Adams to the list of traffic offenders, fined $150 last week for driving while on the cell.
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« Reply #1509 on: June 18, 2013, 05:27:32 pm »

Who will be Montreal mayor now? Or will Cowell-Poitras just serve as acting mayor until the Fall?
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« Reply #1510 on: June 18, 2013, 06:06:03 pm »

Dunno, council will probably vote on another interim appointment.
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« Reply #1511 on: June 18, 2013, 07:29:57 pm »

Unanimous vote to adjourn for the summer! Cheesy First convention, then shuffle. Whew.
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« Reply #1512 on: June 18, 2013, 07:42:10 pm »

Unanimous vote to adjourn for the summer! Cheesy First convention, then shuffle. Whew.

Thank goodness!

Went on youtube to look up a clip from the 2011 election debates and made the mistake of reading the comments. How unedifying Tongue.
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« Reply #1513 on: June 18, 2013, 08:10:07 pm »

Senate will remain in session for another 2 weeks to pass remaining legislation. As for the convention, the most contentious resolutions will be barred or admitted behind closed doors so I don't expect any fireworks.
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« Reply #1514 on: June 19, 2013, 09:52:17 am »

Bob Rae is about to announce his retirement. Also posted this in the by-elections thread for obvious reasons. Tongue
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« Reply #1515 on: June 19, 2013, 10:31:23 am »

Rae and Trudeau's presser was pretty emotional. But there's more news: Montreal City Council will choose a new interim mayor next Tuesday, and Option Nationale leader Jean-Martin Aussant is leaving politics. Wonder if the party folds. Trudeau said he's told the Liberal senators to vigorously oppose C-377, so LeBreton will have to ram it through in the next 2 weeks.
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« Reply #1516 on: June 19, 2013, 11:15:31 am »

If the Quebec construction strike doesn't end in 2 weeks they'll be legislated back to work. CAQ will back the PQ. I assume the PLQ will as well, should it come to that.
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« Reply #1517 on: June 19, 2013, 01:07:49 pm »
« Edited: June 19, 2013, 01:20:15 pm by Leftbehind »

More capitalist freedom for workers.
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« Reply #1518 on: June 19, 2013, 03:50:35 pm »

More capitalist freedom for workers.

Construction workers aren't poor, really. They have very good conditions. Anyways, we have no proof than the workers are backing the strike, as the system is totally biaised. Workers vote for an union every 2 years and the leadership may do as they want. A general strike just needs the agreement of the leadership of unions having a weight of 50%. There is no consultation of the workers.

And I can see why the government wants to force it back, since all construction industry is paralysed, which can be quite problematic, as you can see.
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« Reply #1519 on: June 19, 2013, 11:20:00 pm »

ON leader, Jean-Martin Aussan, resigned as leader and left political life.

Also, a CROP poll in Quebec. (http://www.lapresse.ca/fichiers/4663151/perception.pdf)

Marois approval: 28-68
PLQ 38, PQ 25, CAQ 22, QS 11, ON 4

Harper approval: 26-72
Liberals 42, NDP 32, Bloc 15, Conservatives 8, Greens 3
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« Reply #1520 on: June 20, 2013, 06:36:34 am »

Kind of surprised that Harper's approval rate is that high in Quebec.
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« Reply #1521 on: June 20, 2013, 06:55:31 am »

Especially since only 8% of Quebecers support the Tories per CROP. Whose crosstabs are a bit interesting: Montreal and the couronne (plus Francos as a whole) remain a tossup, but the Liberals lead in Quebec City and have a big 47-30 lead in ROQ. Provincially the PLQ leads in all regions except the tied couronne. Depends on vote splits but they'd probably hypothetically win with that breakdown IMO. PQ needs ROQ and couronne. Also LOL @ Marois being last for best premier, behind undecided. Tongue

Funke suggests the shuffle might be the week of July 8. Makes sense, that's when Harper did the mini-shuffle last year.
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« Reply #1522 on: June 20, 2013, 05:58:33 pm »

Well, if we head back to around the time that the CAQ was formed, everyone knew that Marois was never going to make a good premier. Tongue
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« Reply #1523 on: June 20, 2013, 06:50:09 pm »
« Edited: June 20, 2013, 08:53:55 pm by RogueBeaver »

RCMP is seizing the election returns of 9 Tory MPs in the Duffy investigation, and they're also formally investigating Mac Harb.

More polls: Leger's federal pegs LPC 37, CPC 29, NDP 21. 46-26-15-8 in Quebec.
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« Reply #1524 on: June 21, 2013, 01:47:23 am »

That's quite the  flood evac going on in Calgary right now.
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