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« Reply #2375 on: December 12, 2013, 11:29:33 pm »

QC: At least you guys have options. I don't and never will. Tongue
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« Reply #2376 on: December 12, 2013, 11:36:54 pm »

You have options too, and are probably not much more foul to you as our options are to us! (There's a Conservative party, there's CAQ, and there's the Liberals too. All parties on the centre-right)

Speaking of Quebec, a federal poll was done in each of Montreal's new ridings: http://www.mainstreettechnologies.ca/mainstreet/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Federal-Voting-Intention-in-Montreal.pdf

Liberals would win 13; BQ 3 and the NDP 2 Sad
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« Reply #2377 on: December 12, 2013, 11:48:31 pm »

Quebec government will create 4 supervised injection centers in Montreal. I suppose than Harper won't be happy, but given the previous court rulings, they can't do much about it.


The PQ may yet warm on me.

Every time I think that, they ramble more about the "values charter". Talking of that, I'm still undecided about my vote next election (most probably PQ or QS, through). I know than those are independantist parties, but I can't bring myself to vote for Liberals. Not yet. They need to spend more time in opposition, purge the former corruped establishment and renew their MNA team.

I know you've criticized QS in the past, but they are way better than the PQ. The values charter has made me lose any shred of sympathy I had for that party.

If I lived in Quebec, I'd vote UCQ where I could, and then either PVQ or QS. I've considered living in Hull in the past (cheaper rent), but could never bring myself to do so.

But I live in a swing riding and I don't want a Liberal MNA.

EDIT: Also, QS in my riding is a bit unsavory, the local organisation was created by people who left PQ when a Native candidate was selected for 2007 election, under the pretext he was too young and this was an insult to the older members.

Then, again will depend of the campaign and/or the candidates.
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« Reply #2378 on: December 12, 2013, 11:59:47 pm »

Oh. I didn't realize you were a "strategic voter".

The way I see it is, you will never cast the deciding vote, so you might as well vote your conscience. Plus, if you're political geography nerds like us, you can check out how your vote affected the results in your polling division Cheesy 
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« Reply #2379 on: December 13, 2013, 12:02:58 am »

In federal news, Clement is gearing up for another round with PSAC.  
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« Reply #2380 on: December 13, 2013, 10:41:25 am »

You have options too, and are probably not much more foul to you as our options are to us! (There's a Conservative party, there's CAQ, and there's the Liberals too. All parties on the centre-right)

Well the problem for the Anglo right wingers (and Hatman to a lesser extent) is that we're products of a different system. It's like taking a socially conservative CSU voter and telling him to pick between the GOP & Democrats. Nothing quite fits.
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« Reply #2381 on: December 13, 2013, 12:50:34 pm »

I think the Quebec Conservative Party would be a good fit for RB, but he may be unwilling to vote for a fringe party. Better to vote for a fringe party than no party in my opinion. That's why I support the UCQ in Quebec.

In other news, Bruce has indeed joined the dark side Sad  Only a matter of time, though.
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« Reply #2382 on: December 13, 2013, 01:12:16 pm »

So what does everyone think of Wynne's plan to run on a tax hike? I'll give her points for honesty, nothing more. Also, Duncan thinks OPG should be privatized. "Bipartisan" imprimatur if Hudak wins and wants to do that.
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« Reply #2383 on: December 13, 2013, 01:33:22 pm »

Strangler crony Jacques Corriveau has been charged with fraud, forgery and laundering proceeds of crime. Adscam lives! Though due to his age he'll probably get a minimal sentence.
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« Reply #2384 on: December 13, 2013, 02:49:40 pm »

I think the Quebec Conservative Party would be a good fit for RB, but he may be unwilling to vote for a fringe party. Better to vote for a fringe party than no party in my opinion. That's why I support the UCQ in Quebec.

I agree, but I think the main issue is being able to vote for a fringe party. There's the conservatives and UCQ only ran like 20 candidates each last time. Even if you like them, you still have to choose who to support if you live in one of the other 100 ridings.

I'm the same way. I vote CHP when I get the opportunity, but I'm a Tory voter because that's how I'll vote most of the time.
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« Reply #2385 on: December 13, 2013, 03:16:10 pm »

I think the Quebec Conservative Party would be a good fit for RB, but he may be unwilling to vote for a fringe party. Better to vote for a fringe party than no party in my opinion. That's why I support the UCQ in Quebec.

I agree, but I think the main issue is being able to vote for a fringe party. There's the conservatives and UCQ only ran like 20 candidates each last time. Even if you like them, you still have to choose who to support if you live in one of the other 100 ridings.

I'm the same way. I vote CHP when I get the opportunity, but I'm a Tory voter because that's how I'll vote most of the time.

True.

I have a pro-life friend who claims he'd vote NDP if they were anti-abortion (lol), but because they don't he'd vote CHP. Except, I don't think they've ever run in his district. Last election he spoiled his ballot.

 
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« Reply #2386 on: December 13, 2013, 10:34:59 pm »

Whoa: Flaherty confronted Kenney after Kenney's Ford comments and it almost got physical. Flaherty told Kenney to STFU about Ford and Kenney responded in kind. GTA MPs are pissed that Kenney spoke up on Ford, thought he should've MHOB.
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« Reply #2387 on: December 14, 2013, 12:08:48 am »

Makes you wonder how credible Flaherty is.
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« Reply #2388 on: December 14, 2013, 10:13:49 am »

I think the Quebec Conservative Party would be a good fit for RB, but he may be unwilling to vote for a fringe party. Better to vote for a fringe party than no party in my opinion. That's why I support the UCQ in Quebec.

I agree, but I think the main issue is being able to vote for a fringe party. There's the conservatives and UCQ only ran like 20 candidates each last time. Even if you like them, you still have to choose who to support if you live in one of the other 100 ridings.

I'm the same way. I vote CHP when I get the opportunity, but I'm a Tory voter because that's how I'll vote most of the time.

True.

I have a pro-life friend who claims he'd vote NDP if they were anti-abortion (lol), but because they don't he'd vote CHP. Except, I don't think they've ever run in his district. Last election he spoiled his ballot.

Yeah, doubt that will happen anytime soon lol. I was too young to vote by a few days in 2011, but I would've spoiled my ballot. I'd usually vote Tory but our guy was rabidly pro-choice for a Tory.

Makes you wonder how credible Flaherty is.

Indeed. This raises Kenney's standing in my eyes.
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« Reply #2389 on: December 14, 2013, 11:02:53 am »

Flaherty's ties to the Fords is hardly a secret. Isn't like Flaherty has any leadership designs either.
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« Reply #2390 on: December 14, 2013, 01:52:01 pm »

Flaherty's ties to the Fords is hardly a secret. Isn't like Flaherty has any leadership designs either.

I know he has no leadership prospects, but the fact that he has ties with the Fords to begin with shows a lack of credibility.
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« Reply #2391 on: December 14, 2013, 02:25:30 pm »

Anyone watching CPAC's "The Campaigns" series? I just watched their '45 episode. Not much we didn't know already, but I didn't know about the anti-CCF VRWC in the business community and its 3 authors. Not that such a thing surprised me. Must've spent hundreds of millions in today's money. One name I was surprised didn't arise is Cockfield Brown. Probably a "respectable" ad agency didn't want to dirty their hands with that kind of thing, so they handled only touchy-feely stuff.
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« Reply #2392 on: December 14, 2013, 03:09:23 pm »

I don't get cable, so I had no idea such a series existed. I'm checking it out online now.
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« Reply #2393 on: December 16, 2013, 10:11:26 am »

Paille will resign as BQ leader today for health reasons.

Alas, I do not expect Harper to privatize a crown corporation on his watch. Maybe a Tory successor, but Harper's too cautious for me to believe he will.
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« Reply #2394 on: December 16, 2013, 04:22:55 pm »


I don't see them going out of caucus this time. Patry's a party jumper and Plamandon's at the end of his career. That basically leaves Fortin and Bellavance as leadership contenders.
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« Reply #2395 on: December 16, 2013, 07:31:42 pm »

Ivison on how the Cabinet's political discipline is breaking down. Flaherty and Kenney have a history and various ministers are catfighting. He paints this as preliminary leadership positioning. Meanwhile Harper remains untouched: they're all fighting beneath him, so to speak.
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« Reply #2396 on: December 18, 2013, 11:29:21 am »

Mourani will announce her intentions this afternoon. Not returning to the BQ.

Gagnon on how Quebec is an Orange-Red battle.

Flaherty's health still poor.

Mulcair believes the election will be next year a la Chretien and is at full readiness just in case.
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« Reply #2397 on: December 18, 2013, 01:17:05 pm »

Mourani is now a federalist, but no word on which party she's joining. Ahuntsic was a 3-way in 2011, so she's probably finishing out her term and retiring.
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« Reply #2398 on: December 18, 2013, 03:15:22 pm »

Hebert is right as usual: NDP has an Ontario problem, not a Liberal problem.
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« Reply #2399 on: December 18, 2013, 05:42:13 pm »

Peter Julian will make an announcement about the BC NDP leadership tomorrow. Apparently rumor is that he's in, though Foucaulf can correct me if that's wrong.
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