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« Reply #2400 on: December 18, 2013, 07:00:09 pm »

The problem is that I've been away from Vancouver for at least a year and I never had any party connections. My prediction has no authority, but here goes:

On balance he'll go for it. While diving through politics sites I found an interview in which he was "frustrated" about the last loss. And he has particular reason for doing so; he represents New Westminster, white but with significant Asian inflows, and he tries to engage with these immigration groups. To see the BCNDP get destroyed due to lack of connections within Asian communities, though only one factor, is troubling because it can be changed...

And yet I don't think he will. Either he's in or David Eby (who beat Clark in her riding last election), and Julian has enough of a career to not to waste time navigating the party elites backdoors. He already refused to run for federal leader in 2012 out of deference for Topp, in my opinion.
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« Reply #2401 on: December 18, 2013, 11:47:21 pm »

When I worked in his office six years ago, Peter Julian was learning Mandarin. Wonder how much he did learn.

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« Reply #2402 on: December 19, 2013, 09:21:30 am »

In a bizarre story, NDP MLA Lenore Zann filed a complaint that started a cyber-bullying investigation after someone tweeted a nude image of her from her acting days. The complaint has since been dropped, but this is an example of how anti-bullying legislation can go too far. Getting filmed nude on HBO is a different kettle of fish than sexting pictures being circulated.
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« Reply #2403 on: December 19, 2013, 09:24:36 am »

In a bizarre story, NDP MLA Lenore Zann filed a complaint that started a cyber-bullying investigation after someone tweeted a nude image of her from her acting days. The complaint has since been dropped, but this is an example of how anti-bullying legislation can go too far. Getting filmed nude on HBO is a different kettle of fish than sexting pictures being circulated.

Wasn't this an issue in 2009?
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« Reply #2404 on: December 19, 2013, 09:26:46 am »

In a bizarre story, NDP MLA Lenore Zann filed a complaint that started a cyber-bullying investigation after someone tweeted a nude image of her from her acting days. The complaint has since been dropped, but this is an example of how anti-bullying legislation can go too far. Getting filmed nude on HBO is a different kettle of fish than sexting pictures being circulated.

Wasn't this an issue in 2009?

The tweeting is from this month. Not sure about the cyber-bullying bill or Ms. Zann's performance on HBO.
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« Reply #2405 on: December 19, 2013, 09:30:54 am »

[...] though she didn't deserve to be bullied [...], Lenore Zann should have exercised self-restraint/personal responsibility.

-President Snowstalker (Rhodesia)
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« Reply #2406 on: December 19, 2013, 09:35:36 am »

I look forward to the day Rob Ford/Mike Duffy use this legislation to prosecute someone who calls them a fatty and tweets a picture of them.
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« Reply #2407 on: December 19, 2013, 12:23:32 pm »

New Ekos out, Grits lead by 6 among all voters, 1 among LV. Flaherty and Kenney top the fundraising list.
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« Reply #2408 on: December 19, 2013, 04:28:01 pm »

Julian and Donnelly aren't running for the BC NDP leadership.
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« Reply #2409 on: December 19, 2013, 04:47:31 pm »

Northern Gateway approved...with 209 (!!!) conditions. Over to you, BC Grits.
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« Reply #2410 on: December 19, 2013, 06:05:29 pm »
« Edited: December 19, 2013, 06:15:19 pm by Foucaulf »

Did I really call Julian's refusal? Good lord.

Of course pundits will spin this into a general "no one wants to be NDP leader!" narrative, but it's more subtle than it looks. The executive until the 2013 election was still ran by brass from the Clark days (Sihota, Dix) and for good reason. But it has been fifteen years, and people like the federal MPs are nowhere near that group. Julian was a community activist; Donnelly environmental. They're closer to Green MLA Andrew Weaver than anything.

In wake of the election, the 90s generation have a candidate; Mike Farnworth, who ran last election on a credibility platform. You're going to hear party members say he'll be coronated, but who knows? That the BCNDP has not been able to articulate a winning coalition means no one knows what the ideal candidate should be.


EDIT: Kennedy Stewart (MP Burnaby-Douglas) is still thinking. But this is more out of necessity, since Burnaby North-Seymour next election will screw him hard.
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« Reply #2411 on: December 19, 2013, 06:17:09 pm »
« Edited: December 19, 2013, 06:22:59 pm by RogueBeaver »

Harper's year-end interview with Postmedia. His TV interviews will air later tonight, Global and TVA.

Here's the Global one.
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« Reply #2412 on: December 19, 2013, 07:58:34 pm »

Did I really call Julian's refusal? Good lord.

Of course pundits will spin this into a general "no one wants to be NDP leader!" narrative, but it's more subtle than it looks. The executive until the 2013 election was still ran by brass from the Clark days (Sihota, Dix) and for good reason. But it has been fifteen years, and people like the federal MPs are nowhere near that group. Julian was a community activist; Donnelly environmental. They're closer to Green MLA Andrew Weaver than anything.

In wake of the election, the 90s generation have a candidate; Mike Farnworth, who ran last election on a credibility platform. You're going to hear party members say he'll be coronated, but who knows? That the BCNDP has not been able to articulate a winning coalition means no one knows what the ideal candidate should be.


EDIT: Kennedy Stewart (MP Burnaby-Douglas) is still thinking. But this is more out of necessity, since Burnaby North-Seymour next election will screw him hard.

He doesn't have to run in Burnaby-Seymour, I think they can all shuffle around to have at least marginal ridings to defend.
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« Reply #2413 on: December 19, 2013, 08:04:54 pm »

New Ekos out, Grits lead by 6 among all voters, 1 among LV. Flaherty and Kenney top the fundraising list.

Not everyone has ipolitics accounts, not even us EKOS employees. Tongue

Here is the full results: http://www.ekospolitics.com/index.php/2013/12/political-landscape-freezes-with-winter-cold-december-19-2013/

(No accolades, I didn't work on this one)
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« Reply #2414 on: December 19, 2013, 08:07:32 pm »

In theory, I'd like to see the reaction if Tories had a plurality of seats but not a plurality of votes. Not that the latter matters...
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« Reply #2415 on: December 20, 2013, 10:43:05 am »

Supreme Court has unanimously ruled that prostitution laws are unconstitutional! (Despite a majority of the court being Harper appointees)

Good decision in my opinion.
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« Reply #2416 on: December 20, 2013, 12:24:59 pm »

Parliament will ban it in a way that complies with the ruling. Personally I don't have a strong opinion either way.

Here's the year-end At Issue.


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« Reply #2417 on: December 20, 2013, 02:24:47 pm »

Supreme Court has unanimously ruled that prostitution laws are unconstitutional! (Despite a majority of the court being Harper appointees)

Good decision in my opinion.

Well, it fits with the ultra-libertarian patterns of the Court. Prostitution is a very complicated issue, through, so I'll retain from commenting further.
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« Reply #2418 on: December 23, 2013, 11:22:47 am »

Polling roundup for 2013, and Vito Rizzuto has died.
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« Reply #2419 on: December 23, 2013, 11:28:51 am »

So, when was the last year a non-Tory party led the average of all polls done in the year? 2004 or 2005?
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« Reply #2420 on: December 23, 2013, 11:35:08 am »

2004 I'd guess, though probably not by much given the seesaw nature of that Parliament.
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« Reply #2421 on: December 24, 2013, 07:11:06 pm »

No, this is not The Onion. Worse than the perennial attempts to inject linguistic politics into hockey.
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« Reply #2422 on: December 24, 2013, 07:42:54 pm »

No, this is not The Onion. Worse than the perennial attempts to inject linguistic politics into hockey.
Dear God.  Next time we have a "best joke party" poll, the PQ better be included. 

I feel so sorry for everyone who has to live in a province where these clowns are taken seriously.
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« Reply #2423 on: December 24, 2013, 08:57:55 pm »

No, this is not The Onion. Worse than the perennial attempts to inject linguistic politics into hockey.

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Its cover is illustrated with a turkey.
  Does the French language not have the same negative connotations of idiocy with the turkey bird that English does.  I wouldn't think that they would want to suggest that Bill 60 is a turkey.
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« Reply #2424 on: December 24, 2013, 09:09:13 pm »

Following on their earlier poster.

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Here's the guide.

On a related note, Marois said recently that the budget may not come down till April instead of the usual March. Confidence vote would be about a week afterwards. As with Ontario, expect the third party to be trigger shy until they aren't. Saves everyone the letdown.
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