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« on: January 08, 2012, 09:08:03 am »

McGuinty-Harper: Frenemies as usual.

The relationship between them will surely benefit Ontarians greatly.
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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2012, 08:01:29 am »


Yes!
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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2012, 10:33:23 am »

Bah, I hate turn coats in general, I feel like it's an injustice to the riding that elected the person in question. But, 71 and battling cancer, jumping to the third party in Parliament... I don't see her having a future in the next Parliament.
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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2012, 01:41:01 pm »

No by-elections. The riding shouldn't have to go to the polls for their MP being stupid and crossing the aisle.
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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2012, 01:49:06 pm »

I do like Charlie more than the party yes, and I don't think Timmins-James Bay will ever get a better representative when he retires. But no by-election. I'd probably abstain from voting in the next election (he'd lose anyway).
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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2012, 05:58:59 pm »

No by-elections. The riding shouldn't have to go to the polls for their MP being stupid and crossing the aisle.

They shouldn't get a say about that?

So what, a referendum when there's a defection about whether or not there should be a by-election, and then one if they want one?
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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2012, 12:31:04 pm »

The Tories are going to make a law allowing for the early reporting of election results.

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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2012, 02:05:31 pm »

Well, I'm a bit surprised.
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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2012, 03:47:06 pm »

Radio interview with Lise St-Denis.

http://www.985fm.ca/audioplayer.php?mp3=121620

For non-French speakers:

Host says no one voted for her or for the Liberal Party, just for Layton. Says she betrayed them. She said no, she cares about constituents, not betrayal but democracy. Host says she should ask her constituents directly what they think. She says that she's worked hard and she won't resign, and that they voted for her. Host says no, no one voted for her and she was hardly ever even there. The people voted NDP, not her, not the Liberals that placed in fourth, and not even eight months later, she bails. Is it honest? She says yes.

She endorsed Mulcair in November. She decided to switch to the Liberals in early December. Didn't change because of Mulcair. In between, she felt a lot of negativity (?). Says he has a doctrinaire attitude. She called Coderre, then Rae, they had talks but kept silent before her announcement.
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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2012, 05:53:38 pm »

This one? I don't think so. But how many times has an NDP MP crossed the floor before?
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« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2012, 12:46:17 pm »

... so people in Conservative and Liberal meetings don't believe their policies will do good? Then why advocate for them?
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« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2012, 08:38:30 am »

NDP believe that their policies do good, but Liberals and Conservatives believe that they, as persons, do good?

I don't understand what you're saying, man.
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« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2012, 09:43:04 am »

I think Hudak being unpopular hurts the NDP a bit more than the Liberals, as it motivates center and left of center voters to vote Liberal. At least if McGuinty were the unpopular one (well, he is, but not the most), then those swing voters would look to Horwath.

*shrug* The next election's not for another while, so whatever.
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« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2012, 12:33:14 pm »

Fwiw, and it's not worth much, http://www.harrisdecima.ca/sites/default/files/releases/2012/01/25/hd-2012-01-25-en1297.pdf.

If I would have to guess, I'd say the Conservatives' support that came from the Liberals in the last election have returned back, whereas the NDP's Liberal support hasn't. NDP down in Quebec (still ahead by double digits), and ahead in BC and tied in Manitoba/Saskatchewan. Libs up in the Atlantic - a bit surprising. Small subsample, I'm sure.
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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2012, 08:06:47 am »

lol, NDP winning seven seats in Saskatchewan? No way.

It's sweet to see my riding painted red. Just the thought of there being a tiny possibility of replacing my retarded MP with anybody else is pleasing.

Grits would benefit a lot from tying the Conservatives in Ontario. If Rae is chosen as leader, I don't think that'll ever happen, at least not in the next election.
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« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2012, 09:44:54 am »

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« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2012, 01:23:14 pm »

Why would Trudeau say this!?

http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2012/02/14/graeme-hamilton-justin-trudeau-loyal-to-canada-up-to-a-point/
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« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2012, 10:53:33 am »

I'd be surprised if any Torie were to be removed. Most likely, they'll just receive a slap on the wrist and a small fine. This isn't their first voter fraud allegation.
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« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2012, 10:14:38 am »

I'm glad it won't be before or during the leadership convention.
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« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2012, 07:20:33 am »

Attacking Rae and the Liberals isn't a bad idea though, just because they're a third party. There's a lot of Torie vs. Grit ridings in southern Ontario that can tip the balance between majority and minority, and I know the Conservatives want to keep them.
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« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2012, 09:13:56 am »

Just some random musings. For all the bad Turmel-mania did for the NDP, along with the boring leadership race, she did keep the party in the second place against the so-called powerful Bob Rae. Interesting how the Tories didn't really attack her or the leadership candidates, but not so surprising how they did right after Mulcair won the race. If the most recent Environics poll is to be trusted, and the Tories and Dippers are tied 30-30, it means that people are jumping ship from the Tories, but aren't sure who is the better alternative. It's Mulcair's job now to prove to these voters that it's his party that is the best alternative - specifically in Ontario, Saskatchewan, BC and the Atlantic - according to the poll, they lead in the two latter.

As a New Democrat, I worry about Rae, though. Not because I think he's this powerful, brilliant leader, but because I think he'll turn off voters in Ontario from voting NDP, and Liberal, giving Harper enough support in the province to keep some important ridings in the GTA to cling to power.
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« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2012, 12:54:52 pm »

Perhaps the Tories can call Mulcair a child pornographer sympathizer like they did for average Canadians, while Grits post anonymous tweets about his personal life.
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« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2012, 03:16:44 pm »

The Appeal Court of Ontario stuck down the laws banning brothels and the law banning proxenetism.
It kept the law banning solicitation on streets.

I suppose federal government will appeal to the Supreme Court.

Yep.

How is prostitution a federally regulated issue? If Dad wanted to continue being horrible and appeal it, all the power to him, but Harper? Geez.
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« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2012, 12:03:49 pm »

ROBBINS (who??) has released a poll.

NDP 34%
Tories 33%
Liberals 26.5%
Other 6.5%
Undecided 14%

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Thomas Mulcair’s New Democrats score at 2011 election levels in Quebec currently (43%), with Liberals down to (17%) and Conservatives at (11%) in Quebec. Stephen Harpers Conservatives remain in the lead in Ontario but have lost support down to (35%), with the Liberals at (31%) and the New Democrats (28.5%). In British Columbia the New Democrats lead with (38%), the Conservatives are down to (32%) and the Liberals have come up to (26%).

http://www.robbinssceresearch.com/polls/poll_893.html

Forum released one as well.

NDP 35%
Tories 35%
Liberals 19%

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NDP in first place: BC (43%), Manitoba and Sask (44%), Quebec (40%),Ages 18-34, 45-54, Women

Cons in first ATL (39%-NDP second @34) ON (42% NDP second @30) AB (52% NDP second @31) Ages 35-44, 55-64, 65+ Men

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1153428--poll-new-democrats-riding-mulcair-wave

wtf@ first in Manitoba and Saskatchewan. *shrug* Small samples probably, and the election is about 3 years away anyway, so it doesn't really matter. Maybe Mulcair will get his trees in Saskatchewan, after all though.
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« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2012, 01:05:34 pm »

I'm pretty impressed with how Horwath is handling the budget. It's the Liberals' budget, but with the Tories firmly in the no category, Horwath is seen as the adult and is getting a lot of (more good than bad) press about her proposals. Doesn't hurt that the proposals are popular ones, too. New Forum poll shows Tories at 34, Dippers at 31 and Grits at 28. Hopefully when the electorate remembers Hudak is the leader of the PCs, they'll run away from them.
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