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« Reply #375 on: May 13, 2012, 01:26:46 PM »

1.0, 0.8, 0.6. That sort of thing. (Just noticed the NPD is actually third strongest "other" in one of them, not second.)

And we have a third result in, Düsseldorf III.

SPD 32.1 (+4.6)
CDU 24.6 (-8.9)
Greens 16.4 (-1.6)
FDP 13.1 (+4.1)
Pirates 7.4 (+5.4)
Left 3.3 (-3.0)

Another SPD gain.

(pro NRW 0.9. NPD just 0.3.)
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« Reply #376 on: May 13, 2012, 01:27:07 PM »

http://www.wahlergebnisse.nrw.de/landtagswahlen/2012/aktuell/index.html
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« Reply #377 on: May 13, 2012, 01:29:47 PM »
« Edited: May 13, 2012, 01:34:09 PM by Minion of Midas »

Results coming in fast now, and more family for me. (Höxter, CDU heartland, my grandmother's mother was from. Moers, SPD heartland near Duisburg, I have an uncle living.)

A CDU incumbent in Viersen saved by ticket-splitting voters.
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« Reply #378 on: May 13, 2012, 02:43:44 PM »

Where the SPD is winning, the pirates are doing better..

The SPD wins everywhere, mostly from the CDU.

The Pirates are stronger in the bigger cities, but the differences are minimal
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« Reply #379 on: May 13, 2012, 03:04:11 PM »

Why is Stark not banned yet?
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« Reply #380 on: May 13, 2012, 04:12:23 PM »

Seriously, how bad a result is North Rhine-Westphalia for Angela Merkel moving forward into 2013? Any other major electoral tests coming up between now and the federal elections? Is it a potential sign of things to come?
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« Reply #381 on: May 13, 2012, 04:17:25 PM »
« Edited: May 13, 2012, 04:22:31 PM by Old Europe »

Seriously, how bad a result is North Rhine-Westphalia for Angela Merkel moving forward into 2013? Any other major electoral tests coming up between now and the federal elections? Is it a potential sign of things to come?

The CDU had a sh**tty candidate who ran sh**tty campaign. Just the opposite of the FDP, actually. In other state elections, the CDU may have better candidates.

But to answer your question: There's the Lower Saxony state election on January 20, 2013. That's all there is if you disregard the mostly insignificant Schleswig-Holstein local elections which will also be held sometime early next year.
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« Reply #382 on: May 13, 2012, 04:19:41 PM »

So Fast Drei Prozent is now Über Acht Prozent now ? Meh...
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« Reply #383 on: May 13, 2012, 04:25:07 PM »

Seriously, how bad a result is North Rhine-Westphalia for Angela Merkel moving forward into 2013? Any other major electoral tests coming up between now and the federal elections? Is it a potential sign of things to come?

The CDU had a sh**tty candidate who ran sh**tty campaign. Just the opposite of the FDP, actually. In other state elections, the CDU may have better candidates.

But to answer your question: There's the Lower Saxony state election on January 20, 2013. That's all there is if you disregard the mostly insignificant Schleswig-Holstein local elections which will also be held sometime early next year.

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« Reply #384 on: May 13, 2012, 04:32:03 PM »
« Edited: May 13, 2012, 05:08:55 PM by Old Europe »

Hannelore Kraft (SPD) and Christian Lindner (FDP) are considered authentic and/or likeable. Norbert Röttgen (CDU) is an epic fail as a candidate and a campaigner. Sylvia Löhrmann (Greens) was overshadowed by Kraft and reduced to the role of the sidekick.

Guess what happens when a weak challenger faces a popular incumbent?
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« Reply #385 on: May 13, 2012, 04:43:20 PM »

Thing. of. Beauty.
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« Reply #386 on: May 13, 2012, 05:53:03 PM »

This is obviously a disaster for the NRW-CDU, and even I would not have voted for them, but I think it's a rather large stretch to claim that this was in any way a rejection of the federal CDU and Merkel's policies. The CDU hasn't done too polrly in the orher elections this year, and the federal CDU is still polling at or above 2009 levels.

It's quite unfortunate that this is being discussed as Merkel's problem when in reality, she isn't at fault.
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« Reply #387 on: May 13, 2012, 05:57:54 PM »

This is really, really funny.

Anyways, Nazis are not welcome here so please fyck off, whoever you are.
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« Reply #388 on: May 14, 2012, 03:46:42 AM »

This is really, really funny.

Anyways, Nazis are not welcome here so please fyck off, whoever you are.

im assuming you mean me and im not a nazis, im not even a nationalist actually i consider myself to be an anarchist.  I merely want the election results for the PRNW and NPD cause i blog about the far right.  this is all one word of course but i cant post links yet, european nationalism . blogspot . com   to prove my point.  but hey, im glad you dont like nazis \m/

You also happen to use the "Golden Dawn" logo as your picture/avatar in your blogger.com profile.

So you're a Nazi and a liar then.
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« Reply #389 on: May 14, 2012, 08:01:32 AM »
« Edited: May 14, 2012, 08:05:14 AM by italianboy8 »

Leave the nazi alone,nature already insulted him enough by letting him live.


Anyway,sweet results. Even Germans start to openly criticize Merkel's agenda...
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« Reply #390 on: May 14, 2012, 08:37:57 AM »

Leave the nazi alone,nature already insulted him enough by letting him live.


Anyway,sweet results. Even Germans start to openly criticize Merkel's agenda...

Where are you all getting this idea that this has anything to do with Merkel's agenda. It has very little relevance in this state election. The partly leaders in NRW were the most important factor.
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« Reply #391 on: May 14, 2012, 08:40:55 AM »

Leave the nazi alone,nature already insulted him enough by letting him live.


Anyway,sweet results. Even Germans start to openly criticize Merkel's agenda...

While German citizens have "openly criticized" Merkel's agenda for quite some time now (but often more in a "none of our tax money for lazy Greeks!" way), the federal government's policies played only a very minor role in the Northrhine-Westphalia election.
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« Reply #392 on: May 14, 2012, 08:47:58 AM »

Where are you all getting this idea that this has anything to do with Merkel's agenda. It has very little relevance in this state election. The partly leaders in NRW were the most important factor.

Mostly foreign press, probably.

Headlines on BBC's news site currently include "State election deals blow to Germany's Merkel",  "NRW election: Merkel shaken at state poll" and "NRW election: Merkel admits 'bitter' defeat".

Who gives a f**k about trivial German state-level issue and the popularity of Hannelore Kraft (someone who's almost completely unknown outside Germany's borders), when it can be made into something much much bigger. Like Angela Merkel.
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« Reply #393 on: May 14, 2012, 08:58:10 AM »

Hannelore seems to be by far the most popular SPD politician in Germany these days. Has there been any talk of making her the SPD candidate for Chancellor against Merkel next year??
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« Reply #394 on: May 14, 2012, 09:02:52 AM »

Hannelore seems to be by far the most popular SPD politician in Germany these days. Has there been any talk of making her the SPD candidate for Chancellor against Merkel next year??

Yes, there has been, but she has ruled it categorically out and will remain in NRW for the next 5 years - which is good.
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« Reply #395 on: May 14, 2012, 09:12:24 AM »

Maps:

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/wahlergebnisse-landtagswahl-nordrhein-westfalen-2012-a-829466.html

Click on "Wahlkreise" (electoral districts).

"Erststimme" means "direct vote for a district candidate", while "Zweitstimme" means "party list vote".
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« Reply #396 on: May 14, 2012, 11:34:36 AM »

The most interesting fallout from the NRW election is that Oskar Lafontaine is making a play for return to chairmanship of the Left Party now. His plans for a power-grab is meeting with resistance from the eastern state chapters of the party though.
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« Reply #397 on: May 14, 2012, 11:40:11 AM »

Hannelore seems to be by far the most popular SPD politician in Germany these days. Has there been any talk of making her the SPD candidate for Chancellor against Merkel next year??

Yes, there has been, but she has ruled it categorically out and will remain in NRW for the next 5 years - which is good.

Probably. But we'll see. Wink
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« Reply #398 on: May 14, 2012, 02:00:25 PM »

When a member of a higher-level government runs for a lower level, and esp. if he doesn't resign his position and intends to retain it in case of defeat, the government is automatically at poll. (He also loses votes both by appearing less than committed and by not being able to criticize the government, not even in the ways other politicians of the same party do routinely. Boris Rhein suffered the exact same problems in Frankfurt.) It's just that it was the less-than-popular federal government vs the popular state government, not the federal government vs the hapless useless federal opposition.

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« Reply #399 on: May 15, 2012, 04:39:24 AM »

"Das können Sie alles senden!"

Horst Seehofer (CSU), Prime Minister of Bavaria, didn't mince his words and was surprisingly direct and sincere about the problems of the governing coalition and the defeat in NRW. He's probably not going to help the coalition, but he may have scored some points on a personal level.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CS3qyx8drQk

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