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Question: Should the U.S. Pledge of Allegiance be abolished?
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Author Topic: Should the U.S. Pledge of Allegiance be abolished?  (Read 5679 times)
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FallenMorgan
Junior Chimp
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« on: January 19, 2012, 11:27:48 AM »

Mandating kids to "pledge their allegiance" to the country daily at school is nothing but mindless propaganda.

Agreed.  Though of course someone will come in here and preach about the wonders of nationalist brainwashing.
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FallenMorgan
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2012, 12:02:22 PM »

As a foreigner, the whole thing looks more North Korean than American.

Unsurprisingly, as it was written by a socialist and popularized by the fascist Wilson administration's scaremongering over "disloyal" immigrants.

And let's not forget about the original hand gesture...
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FallenMorgan
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2012, 10:49:17 PM »

Mandating kids to "pledge their allegiance" to the country daily at school is nothing but mindless propaganda.

1943 SCOTUS decision West Virginia Board of Education vs Barnette decided that students cannot be forced to acknowledge the flag/recite the pledge in public schools.  however this does not mean that significant pressure cannot be applied to the student, as was the case with me in my 11th grade math class, in which my teacher observed me on the first day sitting quietly during the recitation of the pledge.  she called me to her desk and told me that she "knew people who died Over There" and that I must stand.  I informed her of the SCOTUS decision, but she didn't budge.  I then took to reciting the Stalin-era version of the Soviet National Anthem during the pledge.

the next week an anonymous teacher referred me to the school psychologist.  I'll never know exactly which teacher it was, but I have a sneaking suspicion is was the math teacher.

That's public school for you.  Obey or your life will be hell.

Sad that we live in a society where justice is only something that exists in the public sphere, and where freedom and democracy are only relevant to the ballot box.  We think it's horrible when governments behave arbitrarily, unjustly, and without consent, yet it is seen as perfectly fine, once someone goes to school, goes home, or goes to work.
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FallenMorgan
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2012, 03:03:24 AM »

I think it is interesting how many of you think the Pledge is some fascist, nationalist piece... why dont you direct your outrage to the atrocities commited daily by the thugs in the Middle East who hate Christians, women, gays, Jews, etc

Because this thread is devoted to discussing the Pledge. We talk about other things at different times. What's strange about that?

What is strange is that in the eyes of many leftists- none that have spoken here- the pledge is a more important issue to fight then radical Islam

Herp derp, so let's not focus on this at all and focus on issues one at a time.  Derp.
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FallenMorgan
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2012, 01:28:11 AM »

No. It wouldn't accomplish anything because it's not mandatory in the first place. Abolishing it altogether would just serve as a meaningless gesture that would serve no purpose but to satisfy a group of people searching not for pragmatism, but for quixotic, anti-traditional-at-all-costs backlash against the establishment.

Yeah man, because only stupid kids who want to fight the establishment would support something you disagree with.
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