Should the U.S. Pledge of Allegiance be abolished?

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I think it is interesting how many of you think the Pledge is some fascist, nationalist piece... why dont you direct your outrage to the atrocities commited daily by the thugs in the Middle East who hate Christians, women, gays, Jews, etc

I am going to stop writing in posts like these because it makes me feel sick to think how much outrage you all have towards this country compared to true evil in other nations... thank God people like you weren't in charge during our world wars or when we were fighting for independence. Every one here always says how Reagan could not make it in a GOP primary nowadays- I agree! But when things like the Pledge which are mainstream are being attacked by the left, it shows which extremism is more pervasive

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I think it is interesting how many of you think the Pledge is some fascist, nationalist piece... why dont you direct your outrage to the atrocities commited daily by the thugs in the Middle East who hate Christians, women, gays, Jews, etc

Because this thread is devoted to discussing the Pledge. We talk about other things at different times. What's strange about that?

What is strange is that in the eyes of many leftists- none that have spoken here- the pledge is a more important issue to fight then radical Islam

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To the 2 prior posters- maintaining an American identity is very important...we are free because we are strong, we are not anarchists. I do not believe that someone who opposes a war is unpatriotic- I hated what happened to Max Cleland a while aback, but that is because you can be loyal to our nation while opposing policies...I dont see what is wrong about publicly declaring your allegiance to your nation

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I understand that point Tweed- but I sometimes cant stand the outrage some people have to nationalism.. I am PROUD to be in this nation where people are free and where minoritires or gays are not killed for who they are, and I am proud to say so every day!

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I understand that point Tweed- but I sometimes cant stand the outrage some people have to nationalism.. I am PROUD to be in this nation where people are free and where minoritires or gays are not killed for who they are, and I am proud to say so every day!

You understand there are other free countries (some likely with a higher level of freedom) than the United States?

Most of these countries would not exist today if my father's generation hadn't saved them! Say all you want about how America is the policeman of the world... I agree there are problems with that... but we have spread or salvaged more freedom then any other nation

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While it is true the US has played a big role in securing freedom in the Western world, you can't use that as a free pass to avoid any criticism today. The fact is there are many countries with equal or greater freedom.

And it's not as if America's foreign policy has only been around to spread freedom...let's not pretend otherwise.

Yeah, the US tends to be one of the good guys...but I do get annoyed by the arrogance expressed by many (like in your last post).

Franzl I am glad to see you type that the USis "one of the good guys" but what annoyes me is the opposite of what annoys you... people who seek to point out every flaw they see in America and that they see nationalism as a flaw- you are not one of those I dont believe, but there a re many who do. I believe in pride in ones nation... it does not bother me if a Brit thinks the UK is best but what bothers me is an American who says we are not exceptional

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I basically take the same position as Jehovah's Witnesses on issues like this. I won't ever say the pledge. It was said both times at the Senate district conventions I went to, I just remained seated. No one cared.

If I'm at an event with the national anthem I'll stand but won't salute the flag in any way either.

Many people stand in silence rather then sit... to me I dont care unless he person is disruptive during. It is your right to not participate in peace