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Paul, this is one of the many reasons why I could just never support you.

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Dude, WTF?

Ron Paul is Ron Paul. Tonight he is no different than any other night.

What's your beef with Ron Paul?

My beef is that, despite how I think he's more sane than any of the other candidates currently running (within reason), I disagree with him on many issues. Abortion is one of them.

I'm not exactly sure what your position is on abortion, we'll probably have to discuss that in another thread. I'm not an obstetrician, so my position is probably different than Ron Paul's, but I"m in favor of safe and legal abortion, and in that respect I'm probably in the mainstream of US voters. Moreover, I've been there. I've been a 19-year-old with a pregnant girlfriend, being scared and worried, and hoping that she won't decide to actually have the baby. Wanting to blurt out "Oh, sh**t, you're not actually going to have the baby, are you?" but also being man enough to keep my mouth shut because it's her decision. By law! And, frankly, by reason and by ethical and historical moral conditioning. I've had to cough up half the money for the procedure, in a time when coughing up half of 400 dollars wasn't easy. I've walked past those irritating protesters with their rosaries and their placards with giant pictures of aborted babies--as offensive as they are, as taxpaying citizens they had every much right to occupy that sidewalk as we had to walk upon it toward the door of the clinic--abortion is not a political issue. It's a personal issue. And it's one that pregnant individuals must make without interference of their government. I don't want a state like China, where a pregnant woman can be forced to abort a child, and I don't want a state like Ireland, where a pregnant woman must leave the country to have a legal abortion. Luckily, I don't live in China or Ireland. I live in the USA, where we have a constitution that allows each person, via his legislature, to make laws. This is where Ron Paul stands. And this is where I stand.

Ron Paul wants you to be in charge of your future. He doesn't want others in charge of your future. Yes, this human fetal abortion is tricky, because it is one issue in which one human must necessarily be somewhat in charge of the issue of another. But that is between two people connected by an umbilical chord. There is no bond in nature as strong as that between a mammal and its mother, and no god or government can come between it. I think Ron Paul fundamentally understands this. Do you?

He certainly does not. I know that Ron Paul hasn't referred to outlawing abortion nationwide, or going to the extremes like Santorum wants to do, but as someone who doesn't believe that a fetus has the same rights as a person, I don't believe that states should be allowed to decide on things like this. It should be legal at a federal level. The reason for that is because, like you said, no government can come between something like that. If we roll the abortion issue back to the states, then a woman's freedom would vary by where she lives and, contrary to what Paul says he wants, government will be able to control your future - only, at a state level. And I respect states' rights and all that, for the most part, but I don't think they should be allowed to get involved with personal issues like these.

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