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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

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« on: January 20, 2012, 10:29:59 AM »

This is a game (a political simulation) based on the breakup of Yugoslavia, but using a Communist Canada as a base for the game.

In this game, Canada becomes Communist sometime in the 30's, and for a reason not important to the plot of the game, the US allows this.

Each player will play the leader of a province. More data to come. Sign up here.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

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« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2012, 01:00:52 PM »

It's a wide open sandbox. The objective is what you make it.

You can drive for Independence. You can attempt to create a superstate consisting of parts of other provinces plus your province. You can attempt your best to keep Canada united. It's all up to you.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

WWW
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2012, 02:03:32 PM »

I'm still building the country, but in short...

The Atlantic has left the country, leaving only the 6 "westmost" provinces; plus the northern territories which are not playable.

Canada managed to stay out of the Eastern Bloc, like Yugoslavia, but was still a "friend" of sorts.

Prior to 1960...
Many French communists moved to Canada, and Quebec, while many Quebecois moved out to the rest of Canada. Even those from France became part of the Quebecois culture.
Many Anglos fled from Canada to the US, except in Ontario. Ontario became the home of Anglos in Canada, and the remainder of British original settlers considered themselves Ontarians.
Ontarians and Quebecois are scattered across Canada, and, across Ontario and Quebec, with many on the "wrong" side of the boundary.

Alberta became a mecca for Russians fleeing from the Soviet Union.
British Columbia became a homeland for Chinese leaving Red China.
Saskatchewan was a great draw for Ukrainians
Manitoba meanwhile found itself filling with Germans.
In each of these 4 provinces, 50%+1 are of these ethnicities, but none has above 66% of these ethnicities. At leas 33% in each of these provinces is a combo of Ontarian and Quebecois.


The population of the provinces is as follows:

Ontario - 21.3 Million
Quebec - 17.8 Million
British Columbia - 7.1 Million
Alberta - 5.8 Million
Saskatchewan - 2.3 Million
Manitoba - 2.2 Million
Territories Combined - 0.3 Million

TOTAL: 56.8 million



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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

WWW
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2012, 05:21:12 PM »

I know it's a stretch Tongue

but yes, each province is a majority for those ethnicities.

Remember though that most of the immigration took place prior to the 60's, and that this game takes place in 1998.

Economically, the country is uniform.
(Note that for comparison's sake, 2012 Canadian dollars are used. Meaning when I say $1 I am talking about $1 in Canada in 2012, which, just happens to be the value of $1 in 1998 Canadian dollars in-game)

Canadians are paid bi-weekly. The average wage is $272. Rent is rather cheap being on average $40 bi-weekly for a two-bedroom.
The poorest 10% of Canadians make just $211 bi-weekly, while the richest 10% make an amazing $397. All Canadians, according to stats, who want a job, work, and all work Full-Time. Compare this to the US where the average bi-weekly earnings are $1,538

Most Canadian families have a Television. Very very few have a computer or a portable phone. Newsprint (papers and magazines) are very popular.

All Canadians speak English - the law ensures that - and all speak it fluently. Most speak their "native" language as well, and at least 40% speak a third language or beyond.

Each of the Western provinces provides 3 television channels for viewing, while Ontario and Quebec provide 6. In addition, there are 3 nation-wide stations. Television sets in Canada are designed to be incompatible with regular US signals, though the US has from time to time attempted to broadcast on frequencies that can be picked up by Canadian TV. Starting in 1994, the government starting putting chips in the TV's that would block these signals.

The Communist Party of Canada, or CPC (and yes, they were known as this prior to 2003) rules the country.

and first came to (partial) power in 1923, before taking over the country fully in 1931.

The CPC is a federation of provincial parties, and thus in an odd way, does not exist on it's own. It is made up of the Communist Party of BC, the Communist Party of Alberta, the Communist Party of Saskatchewan, the Communist Party of Manitoba, the Communist Party of Ontario, and the Communist Party of Quebec.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

WWW
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2012, 06:19:20 PM »

Canada became the "place to be" for Communists.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

WWW
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2012, 07:00:16 PM »

Most "Canadians" fled the west when Communism came in.

Besides, the game does not work without it. If you want to question something, question how the US would allow a communist state to develop and last for the better part of a century on it's border. It's just one of those things that you gotta accept for the game to work Tongue I'm asking you to suspend your disbelief on this one.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

WWW
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2012, 07:28:38 PM »

If you've declared a province before this, it is as good as yours.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

WWW
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2012, 07:58:30 PM »

National Anthem
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxApm-p60Z4

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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

WWW
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2012, 09:06:28 AM »

Nope. If there was one I'd have used one. Tongue (note that this applies in-game as well)
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

WWW
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2012, 08:44:54 PM »

Ooo, yes that is very good. Okay THAT is our national anthem.

Note that it is in French, both in reality and in the game.

Some demographic stats coming up.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

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« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2012, 09:04:11 PM »

ALSO NOTE A CHANGE

Canada has a new Territory shown as the red shape here (ignore the rest of the map)
The other 2 territories are divided by the red line.
Ignore the blue and black, they are not part of this game.

http://maps.google.ca/maps/ms?authuser=0&vps=2&hl=en&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=214668381355121949879.0004b30159dc4be2186dd

This is the Northwest Territories; despite being in the Centre-East.

Note that there are a number of rail lines going end to end though the Territory, built by the Communists to "settle" the Territory.... yea that never worked very well; but the rail lines are still there.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

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« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2012, 09:09:43 PM »

Why the above change?

This allows for Ontario and/or Quebec to put pressure on at least 3 provinces by being able to go "over" provinces in between in order to send in troops, and thus, allows them more control over Canada. In addition, it prevents Ontario from blocking Quebec.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

WWW
« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2012, 09:18:19 PM »
« Edited: January 21, 2012, 09:22:52 PM by Vote 4 Teddy »

Ontario - 21.3 Million
Ontarian - 77%
Quebecois - 18%
Other - 5%

Quebec - 17.8 Million
Quebecois - 82%
Ontarian - 16%
Other - 2%

British Columbia - 7.1 Million
Chinese - 65%
Ontarian - 15%
Quebecois - 14%
Other - 6%

Alberta - 5.8 Million
Russian - 53%
Ontarian - 23%
Quebecois -21%
Other - 3%

Saskatchewan - 2.3 Million
Ukranian - 51%
Ontarian - 37%
Quebecois - 6%
Other - 8%

Manitoba - 2.2 Million
German - 52%
Quebecois - 39%
Ontarian - 2%
Other - 7%

Territories Combined - 0.3 Million
Quebecois - 55%
Ontarian - 40%
Other - 5%
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

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« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2012, 12:58:27 AM »

no? Who said it was?
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

WWW
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2012, 07:02:50 AM »

Y'all should start receiving PM's shortly about the game, so prepare.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

WWW
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2012, 01:34:32 PM »

We only actually *need* 2 Wink, Ontario and Quebec.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

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« Reply #16 on: January 26, 2012, 02:31:40 PM »

Oh!! You guys need character names!!

They names would be blatantly reflective of your ethnic background of your province. For example, Edwin Forsyth or Pierre Lafontaine, etc.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

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« Reply #17 on: January 26, 2012, 05:37:53 PM »

That is an excellent name.

FTR each province has a similar political makeup, here is the rundown.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

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« Reply #18 on: January 26, 2012, 05:54:25 PM »
« Edited: January 26, 2012, 06:01:38 PM by Teddy (IDS Legislator) »

CANADA

IMPORTANT PERSONS

President
Speaker / Chairman of the Supreme Soviet
Chairman of the Communist Party.

These positions can be mixed and matched.

Canada has a Supreme Soviet that officially runs the country. It has 3,696 members, with 12 elected from each of 308 ridings.

Canada also has a number of councils from which power flows.

THE FEDERAL PRESIDENCY
The presidency is made up of 6 members, 1 from each province, and each member is a provincial party. It is in fact the presidency that IS the "Communist Party of Canada". Membership in the Presidency guarantees that your provincial party is part of the CPC. You, as leaders of your provinces, are on the presidency.

THE CONTINUING COMMITTEE
The continuing committee (CC) of the Supreme Soviet is sometimes called the Politburo. It consists of 8 members, 2 from Quebec, 2 from Ontario, and 1 from each other province. The chair of the committee is also the chair of the Communist Party. Membership is fluid and you can change your representatives at will. You can take the seat yourself, or appoint someone else to do it for you if you are busy (say, at home, or at the presidency for a meeting, etc)

THE WAR COUNCIL
The war council is the CC and Presidency (14 members), plus representatives of the Army, Navy, Airforce, Gendarmerie, Marines, Coast Guard, and Secret Police. (7 members)

Note that the Gendarmerie, Coast Guard, and Secret Police, as well as the normal police, are all branches of the RCMP, the Republican Canadian Mounted Police.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

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« Reply #19 on: January 26, 2012, 05:56:15 PM »

QUEBEC

IMPORTANT PERSONS

President
Prime Minister
Speaker
Chairman of the Supreme Soviet
Chairman of the local Communist Party.

At the start of the game you can be 3 of these 5, and you can mix and match beyond that as the game progresses.


Quebec has a S. (Supreme) Soviet that governs it. It is made up of 625 members, elected 5 to each of 125 districts.
Quebec also has a Politburo consisting of 7 members.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

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« Reply #20 on: January 26, 2012, 05:57:27 PM »

ONTARIO

IMPORTANT PERSONS

Prime Minister
Chairman of the Supreme Soviet
Chairman of the local Communist Party.

At the start of the game you can be 2 of these 3, and you can mix and match beyond that as the game progresses.


Ontario  has a S. Soviet that governs it. It is made up of 749 members, elected 7 to each of 107 districts.

Ontario also has a Politburo consisting of 5 members.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

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« Reply #21 on: January 26, 2012, 05:59:19 PM »

ALBERTA

IMPORTANT PERSONS

President
Speaker
Chairman of the local Communist Party.

At the start of the game you can be 2 of these 3, and you can mix and match beyond that as the game progresses.


Alberta has a S. Soviet that governs it. It is made up of 510 members, elected 6 to each of 85 districts.

Alberta also has a Politburo consisting of 9 members.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

WWW
« Reply #22 on: January 26, 2012, 06:13:11 PM »

Current power breakdown.


>Ontario
CP-O 50%
CP-C 50%

>Quebec
CP-Q 50%
CP-C 50%

>British Columbia
CP-B 50%
CP-C 50%

>Alberta
CP-A 50%
CP-C 50%

>Saskatchewan
CP-S 50%
CP-C 50%

>Manitoba
CP-M 50%
CP-C 50%

>Presidency
CP-C 50%
CP-O 15%
CP-Q 15%
CP-B 5%
CP-A 5%
CP-M 5%
CP-S 5%

>CC
CP-C 50%
CP-O 17%
CP-Q 17%
CP-B 4%
CP-A 4%
CP-M 4%
CP-S 4%

>CP-C
CP-O 32%
CP-Q 32%
CP-B 9%
CP-A 9%
CP-M 9%
CP-S 9%

>Popular Support (favour minus disfavour)
CP-C -30%
CP-O -15%
CP-Q -15%
CP-B -15%
CP-A -15%
CP-M -15%
CP-S -15%

>Perceived Position
CP-C Pro-Canadian-Federation, Pro-Communist
CP-O Pro-Canadian-Federation, Pro-Communist
CP-Q Pro-Canadian-Federation, Pro-Communist
CP-B Pro-Canadian-Federation, Pro-Communist
CP-A Pro-Canadian-Federation, Pro-Communist
CP-M Pro-Canadian-Federation, Pro-Communist
CP-S Pro-Canadian-Federation, Pro-Communist

This is how you will gauge how you are doing.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

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« Reply #23 on: January 26, 2012, 06:15:08 PM »

I'll leave some time for Quebec and Alberta players to pick names.
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Teddy (IDS Legislator)
nickjbor
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,200
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -1.42, S: -1.91

WWW
« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2012, 07:05:17 PM »

Correct.

Power in communist countries was much more "mushy" than power in democratic ones with clear delineations of power and titles. How well you play that is part of how well you will do in the game Wink
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