UK General Discussion

[BritishDixie]

The GMB will be submitting a resolution at the Labour Conference in September to outlaw Progress.  
OMG OMG I hope this works, though I have a gut feeling it won't.  

It's like they want all out party civil war.

Well, with me being me, I really hope they at least force the party to reverse their support of the wage freeze and Ed Balls's statement that he won't guarantee that any cuts will be reversed.  But I really would like to see the Blairites forced out of the party.  It'll get the Labour party back to being an actual social democratic party again.  I also hope that if they can't ban it, then they can at least break Progress's grip on the party (especially when it comes to selection of prospective parliamentary candidates.  And policies, too.)

This makes me happy, so happy. Deranged Labour left wing trying to make itself unelectable again. Why don't they go the whole hog and install Neil Kinnock as leader again, that'll make Cameron look competent.

One more thing. You do realize its a wage freeze. Not a cut a freeze. Do you understand that there are some people who work outside the great god the public sector. That they might enjoy an easing in the burden of taxation that goes to pay for the salaries of greedy, wasteful shysters public sector workers, who think they are somehow hard done by. I mean at least you could sympathize with the miners for doing a hard, unpleasant job. These people are just a total rip off.

[Silent Hunter]

In other news - former Tory MP spied for the Czechs

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I put a thread about that up on the 'History' board. I love the detail about MI5 not having any suspicions of the guy. lolololol.

[You kip if you want to...]

The GMB will be submitting a resolution at the Labour Conference in September to outlaw Progress.  
OMG OMG I hope this works, though I have a gut feeling it won't.  

It's like they want all out party civil war.

Well, with me being me, I really hope they at least force the party to reverse their support of the wage freeze and Ed Balls's statement that he won't guarantee that any cuts will be reversed.  But I really would like to see the Blairites forced out of the party.  It'll get the Labour party back to being an actual social democratic party again.  I also hope that if they can't ban it, then they can at least break Progress's grip on the party (especially when it comes to selection of prospective parliamentary candidates.  And policies, too.)

This makes me happy, so happy. Deranged Labour left wing trying to make itself unelectable again. Why don't they go the whole hog and install Neil Kinnock as leader again, that'll make Cameron look competent.

One more thing. You do realize its a wage freeze. Not a cut a freeze. Do you understand that there are some people who work outside the great god the public sector. That they might enjoy an easing in the burden of taxation that goes to pay for the salaries of greedy, wasteful shysters public sector workers, who think they are somehow hard done by. I mean at least you could sympathize with the miners for doing a hard, unpleasant job. These people are just a total rip off.

How is a public sector worker any less worthy than someone who works in a business? Typical Tories. And a wage freeze amount to a cut when you consider inflation and all that.

Would you tell your doctor or your child's teacher that they're not worth the money they're paid?

[BritishDixie]

The GMB will be submitting a resolution at the Labour Conference in September to outlaw Progress. 
OMG OMG I hope this works, though I have a gut feeling it won't. 

It's like they want all out party civil war.

Well, with me being me, I really hope they at least force the party to reverse their support of the wage freeze and Ed Balls's statement that he won't guarantee that any cuts will be reversed.  But I really would like to see the Blairites forced out of the party.  It'll get the Labour party back to being an actual social democratic party again.  I also hope that if they can't ban it, then they can at least break Progress's grip on the party (especially when it comes to selection of prospective parliamentary candidates.  And policies, too.)

This makes me happy, so happy. Deranged Labour left wing trying to make itself unelectable again. Why don't they go the whole hog and install Neil Kinnock as leader again, that'll make Cameron look competent.

One more thing. You do realize its a wage freeze. Not a cut a freeze. Do you understand that there are some people who work outside the great god the public sector. That they might enjoy an easing in the burden of taxation that goes to pay for the salaries of greedy, wasteful shysters public sector workers, who think they are somehow hard done by. I mean at least you could sympathize with the miners for doing a hard, unpleasant job. These people are just a total rip off.

How is a public sector worker any less worthy than someone who works in a business? Typical Tories. And a wage freeze amount to a cut when you consider inflation and all that.

Would you tell your doctor or your child's teacher that they're not worth the money they're paid?

Because the public sector is lazy and bloated, whereas, whatever the Guardian tells you, business is not. Also, these people are overpaid anyway, so its about time they felt the pain.

Also I'm with Bupa, and my kids go to private school. So I don't rely on the state for my health or my child's education (good thing to, considering they would get brainwashed by socialist propaganda otherwise).

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Oh Lordy Lord...

[MaxQue]

The GMB will be submitting a resolution at the Labour Conference in September to outlaw Progress. 
OMG OMG I hope this works, though I have a gut feeling it won't. 

It's like they want all out party civil war.

Well, with me being me, I really hope they at least force the party to reverse their support of the wage freeze and Ed Balls's statement that he won't guarantee that any cuts will be reversed.  But I really would like to see the Blairites forced out of the party.  It'll get the Labour party back to being an actual social democratic party again.  I also hope that if they can't ban it, then they can at least break Progress's grip on the party (especially when it comes to selection of prospective parliamentary candidates.  And policies, too.)

This makes me happy, so happy. Deranged Labour left wing trying to make itself unelectable again. Why don't they go the whole hog and install Neil Kinnock as leader again, that'll make Cameron look competent.

One more thing. You do realize its a wage freeze. Not a cut a freeze. Do you understand that there are some people who work outside the great god the public sector. That they might enjoy an easing in the burden of taxation that goes to pay for the salaries of greedy, wasteful shysters public sector workers, who think they are somehow hard done by. I mean at least you could sympathize with the miners for doing a hard, unpleasant job. These people are just a total rip off.

How is a public sector worker any less worthy than someone who works in a business? Typical Tories. And a wage freeze amount to a cut when you consider inflation and all that.

Would you tell your doctor or your child's teacher that they're not worth the money they're paid?

Because the public sector is lazy and bloated, whereas, whatever the Guardian tells you, business is not. Also, these people are overpaid anyway, so its about time they felt the pain.

Also I'm with Bupa, and my kids go to private school. So I don't rely on the state for my health or my child's education (good thing to, considering they would get brainwashed by socialist propaganda otherwise).

Indeed, your child aren't brainwashed by the socialist propaganda, they are by the ultra-liberal propaganda of private schools, which isn't better in any way.

[BritishDixie]

The GMB will be submitting a resolution at the Labour Conference in September to outlaw Progress. 
OMG OMG I hope this works, though I have a gut feeling it won't. 

It's like they want all out party civil war.

Well, with me being me, I really hope they at least force the party to reverse their support of the wage freeze and Ed Balls's statement that he won't guarantee that any cuts will be reversed.  But I really would like to see the Blairites forced out of the party.  It'll get the Labour party back to being an actual social democratic party again.  I also hope that if they can't ban it, then they can at least break Progress's grip on the party (especially when it comes to selection of prospective parliamentary candidates.  And policies, too.)

This makes me happy, so happy. Deranged Labour left wing trying to make itself unelectable again. Why don't they go the whole hog and install Neil Kinnock as leader again, that'll make Cameron look competent.

One more thing. You do realize its a wage freeze. Not a cut a freeze. Do you understand that there are some people who work outside the great god the public sector. That they might enjoy an easing in the burden of taxation that goes to pay for the salaries of greedy, wasteful shysters public sector workers, who think they are somehow hard done by. I mean at least you could sympathize with the miners for doing a hard, unpleasant job. These people are just a total rip off.

How is a public sector worker any less worthy than someone who works in a business? Typical Tories. And a wage freeze amount to a cut when you consider inflation and all that.

Would you tell your doctor or your child's teacher that they're not worth the money they're paid?

Because the public sector is lazy and bloated, whereas, whatever the Guardian tells you, business is not. Also, these people are overpaid anyway, so its about time they felt the pain.

Also I'm with Bupa, and my kids go to private school. So I don't rely on the state for my health or my child's education (good thing to, considering they would get brainwashed by socialist propaganda otherwise).

Indeed, your child aren't brainwashed by the socialist propaganda, they are by the ultra-liberal propaganda of private schools, which isn't better in any way.

Well technically it is. Ultra-Liberal propaganda would hint a self-reliance, and at paying your own way. Far better than, "lets tax the rich until they drop", and "the welfare state is sacred, we must worship it" or "we need to redistribute wealth to the needy" (or in other words to those who haven't earned it).

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I don't recall a teacher (or lecturer or whatever) saying 'the welfare state is sacred, we must worship it', but maybe I wasn't paying attention at the time.

[BritishDixie]

I don't recall a teacher (or lecturer or whatever) saying 'the welfare state is sacred, we must worship it', but maybe I wasn't paying attention at the time.

You get the general idea.

[Phony Moderate]

Don't a majority of teachers support the reintroduction of corporal punishment?

[BritishDixie]

Don't a majority of teachers support the reintroduction of corporal punishment?

Yeah but thats probably out of necessity. I'm sure a majority wouldn't support corporal punishment for criminals.

[MaxQue]

I just have a question.
You say than needy people should earn their money. By working, I suppose.
There is a problem. There isn't jobs for everybody. How they do?
(And don't say the magical "if there was less taxes, there would be full employment", because that's a dubious claim)

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

I don't recall a teacher (or lecturer or whatever) saying 'the welfare state is sacred, we must worship it', but maybe I wasn't paying attention at the time.

You get the general idea.

I certainly get that it's bullsh**t, and I'm not even British.

[You kip if you want to...]

I don't recall a teacher (or lecturer or whatever) saying 'the welfare state is sacred, we must worship it', but maybe I wasn't paying attention at the time.

You get the general idea.

The only time i've heard anything similar was in RE. From sections of the Bible.

Catholic schooled by the way.

[BritishDixie]

I just have a question.
You say than needy people should earn their money. By working, I suppose.
There is a problem. There isn't jobs for everybody. How they do?
(And don't say the magical "if there was less taxes, there would be full employment", because that's a dubious claim)

They don't. This explanation of what must be done to solve Britain's woes is one you must explore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYnHXUEPMPY

[bore]

I don't recall a teacher (or lecturer or whatever) saying 'the welfare state is sacred, we must worship it', but maybe I wasn't paying attention at the time.

You get the general idea.

The only time i've heard anything similar was in RE. From sections of the Bible.

Catholic schooled by the way.

Basically the same for me, my RE teacher has made a few comments about helping the homeless etc but nothing more explicit than that. The only other teacher which I know anything about is my history teacher and even that is quite subtle, and he tries his hardest to be objective (He's mentioned his sympathy for the Greeks and strong dislike of the poll tax). What I'm saying is anyone who thinks there is a widespread plan to indoctrinate children in British schools is deluded at best, because there is no evidence for it.

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I don't recall a teacher (or lecturer or whatever) saying 'the welfare state is sacred, we must worship it', but maybe I wasn't paying attention at the time.

You get the general idea.

The only time i've heard anything similar was in RE. From sections of the Bible.

Catholic schooled by the way.

Basically the same for me, my RE teacher has made a few comments about helping the homeless etc but nothing more explicit than that. The only other teacher which I know anything about is my history teacher and even that is quite subtle, and he tries his hardest to be objective (He's mentioned his sympathy for the Greeks and strong dislike of the poll tax). What I'm saying is anyone who thinks there is a widespread plan to indoctrinate children in British schools is deluded at best, because there is no evidence for it.

My A-level Politics teacher exposed views, which would be expected. Never told us who he voted for, mind.

[ObserverIE]

I just have a question.
You say than needy people should earn their money. By working, I suppose.
There is a problem. There isn't jobs for everybody. How they do?
(And don't say the magical "if there was less taxes, there would be full employment", because that's a dubious claim)

They don't. This explanation of what must be done to solve Britain's woes is one you must explore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYnHXUEPMPY

Is this a very roundabout way of telling us that you're a satirical caricature of a right-winger?

[minionofmidas]

If you think the public sector is lazy and bloated, you have never set foot in corporate bureaucracy. Or in the public sector, of course. (You're also technically right, of course.) Though Quangos can be even worse than that.

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So, leadership speculation's sprung up around Liam Fox this morning. He'd be stupid enough to try, of course.

[BritishDixie]

So, leadership speculation's sprung up around Liam Fox this morning. He'd be stupid enough to try, of course.

Go Liam Fox!

[You kip if you want to...]

So, leadership speculation's sprung up around Liam Fox this morning. He'd be stupid enough to try, of course.

Go Liam Fox!

I'd support him in any leadership election, of course, but even the Tories wouldn't choose a disgraced former cabinet minister. Right?

He'd only run to make a point.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I seem to remember that Fox resigned under a considerable cloud. Short memories or something.

[BritishDixie]

So, leadership speculation's sprung up around Liam Fox this morning. He'd be stupid enough to try, of course.

Go Liam Fox!

I'd support him in any leadership election, of course, but even the Tories wouldn't choose a disgraced former cabinet minister. Right?

He'd only run to make a point.

Sadly, your probably right. The Tories will get stuck with that git Osbourne as leader if Cameron miraculously wins in 2015. If not, it might be Boris Johnson, or maybe Gove. Right-Wing candidates might include Grant Shapps or Owen Paterson.