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« Reply #325 on: September 05, 2012, 06:48:40 PM »


No idea.


Oh, and interesting:
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/09/05/david-cameron-made-minister-cry-when-he-fired-them_n_1857741.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

Justine Greening considering her face was like thunder when she walked out of number 10. Definitely Baroness Warsi.
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« Reply #326 on: September 05, 2012, 08:38:51 PM »

That's a really odd thing to leak.
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« Reply #327 on: September 06, 2012, 05:03:12 AM »


Someone wanting to drive the "Bullingdon bully boy", Flashman image I guess.
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« Reply #328 on: September 06, 2012, 03:29:49 PM »

Here's a challenge for you all. Read through this article and try to remember throughout that Cameron used to work in PR.
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« Reply #329 on: September 07, 2012, 04:54:01 AM »

Here's a challenge for you all. Read through this article and try to remember throughout that Cameron used to work in PR.

Wow.

That's an open goal really.

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Favourite part of the article. If it's true though, I feel like he must genuinely be like Alan B'stard behind the scenes.
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« Reply #330 on: September 07, 2012, 05:58:33 AM »

Well, yeah; the issue is that there have been enough bizarre little sexist episodes in public (and other attempts to make a point of what he clearly regards as his manly manness) that private behavior like that doesn't seem implausible.
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« Reply #331 on: September 07, 2012, 07:04:58 AM »

More kick off from Justine Greening apparently.
http://www7.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2012/09/07/could-justine-be-the-next-cabinet-casualty/

To be fair to her, she was well and truly shafted by the PM.
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« Reply #332 on: September 07, 2012, 01:42:31 PM »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19517696

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« Reply #333 on: September 08, 2012, 05:01:35 AM »

Well, yeah; the issue is that there have been enough bizarre little sexist episodes in public (and other attempts to make a point of what he clearly regards as his manly manness) that private behavior like that doesn't seem implausible.
It's his only male attribute (besides a penis, I suppose).
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« Reply #334 on: September 09, 2012, 05:25:42 PM »

Any other Brits find Obama's use of "We're All in this Together" at the DNC particularly ironic for us?
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« Reply #335 on: September 10, 2012, 03:15:25 AM »

Any other Brits find Obama's use of "We're All in this Together" at the DNC particularly ironic for us?

I certainly found it ironic.
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« Reply #336 on: September 10, 2012, 12:10:03 PM »

Any other Brits find Obama's use of "We're All in this Together" at the DNC particularly ironic for us?

I certainly found it ironic.

I find that it sounds like a communist slogan.
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« Reply #337 on: September 11, 2012, 05:39:56 PM »

Salma Yaqoob has resigned as leader of Respect... and has also quit the party.
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« Reply #338 on: September 11, 2012, 05:49:54 PM »

Some late thoughts on the reshuffle: what strikes me about Clegg is that he somehow combines being fluent in Dutch, being the leader of a party that needs coalitions to ever be in government, and really, really sucking at coalition politics. No continental junior coalition party leader would allow Cameron to walk over him as he's doing.

The Lib Dems have allowed a reshuffle that significantly tilted the coalition to the right without even seeming to have been really consulted in the matter. Clegg should have told Cameron that demoting Clarke and promoting Hunt was out of the question. The Lib Dems really seem to have zero impact on coalition policy.Same thing when Cameron took the BSkyB deal away from Cable, Clegg should never ever have allowed anything of the sort.

If I were a Lib Dem I'd start to hope someone would have the guts to at least force Ineptness Incarnate away from the party leadership before the now almost inevitable 2015 massacre.
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« Reply #339 on: September 11, 2012, 06:01:00 PM »

You can take it right back to the beginning: their big prize was a referendum they were always likely to lose on a voting system that they didn't actually want. For which they were prepared to sacrifice their single most popular policy (opposition to university tuition fees). It's also hard not to notice that they do not occupy any of the four so-called 'Great Offices of State' (PM, Chancellor, Foreign Secretary, Home Secretary) or control one of the big spending departments like Health or Education.
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« Reply #340 on: September 11, 2012, 09:31:01 PM »

Packing for uni today and I found the Guardian from May 10th 2010, the day Gordon Brown announced his resignation and talks between the Liberals and Labour officially began. I hadn't realised how good the deal Labour were offering the Liberals actually was. It would've been so much better for them, pure and simple. I can't help but feel that because Ed Balls was the salesman, they stupidly didn't buy it.
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« Reply #341 on: September 11, 2012, 10:13:39 PM »

Packing for uni today and I found the Guardian from May 10th 2010, the day Gordon Brown announced his resignation and talks between the Liberals and Labour officially began. I hadn't realised how good the deal Labour were offering the Liberals actually was. It would've been so much better for them, pure and simple. I can't help but feel that because Ed Balls was the salesman, they stupidly didn't buy it.
Well, to be honest, Balls isn't exactly the most delightful and friendly personality.  They should've had someone like Sadiq Khan or Douglas Alexander in that role. 
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« Reply #342 on: September 12, 2012, 01:26:43 AM »

I'd leave the party rather than join in with Ed Balls.  As City Minister, he was the architect of the longest, deepest recession this country has suffered in peace times. He's a disaster.  A LibDem-Lab pact with him any where near it would be a catastrophe.
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« Reply #343 on: September 12, 2012, 04:13:49 AM »

To be honest that deal was never a starter for three reasons. The first was that the two parties combined didn't have a Commons majority, the second was that the LibDem leadership is rather right-wing and not especially well disposed towards the Labour Party, and the third was that large sections of Labour's grassroots regard all other parties as bourgeois (that's not the word used, of course, but it describes the mentality well enough) and so doesn't especially like dealing with them.
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« Reply #344 on: September 12, 2012, 04:49:46 AM »

Well coalitions are a bit of an alien concept in Britain (though not locally, actually), and the rules how they're supposed to work are unwritten in most countries.

The Lib Dems have allowed a reshuffle that significantly tilted the coalition to the right without even seeming to have been really consulted in the matter. Clegg should have told Cameron that demoting Clarke and promoting Hunt was out of the question.
Incidentally, Cameron could have done that in Germany. A party's government ministers are considered its own business here, pm excluded.
You can take it right back to the beginning: their big prize was a referendum they were always likely to lose on a voting system that they didn't actually want.
They should have at the very least bound the government - the entire government - to actively campaign for a yes vote.
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Reminds me of the very early Green government participations. The FDP would never, ever have consented to that, even if it stood at 5.1% and the CDU was one seat away from a majority.
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« Reply #345 on: September 12, 2012, 09:37:36 AM »

Hillsborough Report out

Key finding - 41 people had "the potential to survive" after 3:15pm - i.e. possibly could have been saved.

I see that Kelvin Mackenzie has finally apologised - although it's way too late.
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« Reply #346 on: September 12, 2012, 11:57:03 AM »

Something long suspected has been confirmed beyond all doubt: that one of the main sources for the lies spread about after the disaster was Sir Irvine Patnick, then the (Tory) MP for Hallam. There have already been calls for him to lose his knighthood, ala Fred the Shred.
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« Reply #347 on: September 12, 2012, 12:41:46 PM »

I'd leave the party rather than join in with Ed Balls.  As City Minister, he was the architect of the longest, deepest recession this country has suffered in peace times. He's a disaster.  A LibDem-Lab pact with him any where near it would be a catastrophe.

I suppose the Coalition - and Osborne - have nothing to do with that, either?

To be honest that deal was never a starter for three reasons. The first was that the two parties combined didn't have a Commons majority, the second was that the LibDem leadership is rather right-wing and not especially well disposed towards the Labour Party, and the third was that large sections of Labour's grassroots regard all other parties as bourgeois (that's not the word used, of course, but it describes the mentality well enough) and so doesn't especially like dealing with them.

Slightly more cynical, but significant factors none-the-less for the PLP were that there was little incentive to cobble together an awkward coalition for what was evidently a difficult, and electorally damaging time to govern, and knowing that the nature of FPTP meant that they'd be rewarded - as the sole recipient of opposition to the counter coalition - at the next election.

You can take it right back to the beginning: their big prize was a referendum they were always likely to lose on a voting system that they didn't actually want.
They should have at the very least bound the government - the entire government - to actively campaign for a yes vote.

But still, they'd be binding the government to actively campaign for something they didn't want - nor their supporters. It was irredeemable as soon as they gave up PR.
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« Reply #348 on: September 12, 2012, 01:44:01 PM »

I'd leave the party rather than join in with Ed Balls.  As City Minister, he was the architect of the longest, deepest recession this country has suffered in peace times. He's a disaster.  A LibDem-Lab pact with him any where near it would be a catastrophe.

It's not like your lot would've let him anywhere near anything important anyway. Gordon Brown nearly got knifed by his own party when he tried it in 2009, so I can't even begin to imagine Nick Clegg's reaction to Balls as Chancellor. Vince would've been Chancellor under any Lib-Lab coalition, without question, and that still remains doubtless should there be another change of government before the election in 2015.

And calling Ed Balls, of all people, the "architect" of the recession is just ludicrous, misleading and way off the mark. He is as responsible for the 2008-10 recession as Justine Greening and Chloe Smith (two of his successors under the Coalition) are for the double dip. Just because David Cameron likes to say it's Balls' fault every week, doesn't mean that it's true.
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« Reply #349 on: September 12, 2012, 04:41:50 PM »

Something long suspected has been confirmed beyond all doubt: that one of the main sources for the lies spread about after the disaster was Sir Irvine Patnick, then the (Tory) MP for Hallam. There have already been calls for him to lose his knighthood, ala Fred the Shred.

He was actually named in the media at the time, so it's really no surprise.

I did so enjoy voting against him in '97 (and the outcome), partly because of this.
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