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« Reply #175 on: February 01, 2012, 10:01:20 pm »

The one on morality in our fighting men and women? If we are a conservative party, wouldn't we want to teach personal morality to our fighting men and women? Also, I know what I'm about to say will get me blasted like crazy but I must say it..... Banning gays from military service.
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« Reply #176 on: February 01, 2012, 10:02:38 pm »

The one on morality in our fighting men and women? If we are a conservative party, wouldn't we want to teach personal morality to our fighting men and women? Also, I know what I'm about to say will get me blasted like crazy but I must say it..... Banning gays from military service.

Do you not believe our service members have personal morality?
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« Reply #177 on: February 01, 2012, 10:08:35 pm »

The one on morality in our fighting men and women? If we are a conservative party, wouldn't we want to teach personal morality to our fighting men and women? Also, I know what I'm about to say will get me blasted like crazy but I must say it..... Banning gays from military service.

Why would we want to do that?
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« Reply #178 on: February 01, 2012, 10:13:30 pm »

Wait!

Let's not get distracted over whether our servicemen need moral teaching, or whether gays should be banned. Let's discuss the party's official position on the Anti-conscription bill.

I say we should work for a compromise that would allow for a draft only in wartime.
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« Reply #179 on: February 01, 2012, 10:15:38 pm »

Wait!

Let's not get distracted over whether our servicemen need moral teaching, or whether gays should be banned. Let's discuss the party's official position on the Anti-conscription bill.

I say we should work for a compromise that would allow for a draft only in wartime.

I say we work to defeat it and if we have to settle for a compromise then so be it...

That is my mentality with all this and in life- push for what you want and if need be settle, but don't push with delicate hands. Come heavy or not at all
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« Reply #180 on: February 01, 2012, 10:19:05 pm »

Wait!

Let's not get distracted over whether our servicemen need moral teaching, or whether gays should be banned. Let's discuss the party's official position on the Anti-conscription bill.

I say we should work for a compromise that would allow for a draft only in wartime.

I say we work to defeat it and if we have to settle for a compromise then so be it...

That is my mentality with all this and in life- push for what you want and if need be settle, but don't push with delicate hands. Come heavy or not at all

If a compromise can not be reached, then yes, Clarence, we should vote against it.
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« Reply #181 on: February 01, 2012, 10:19:42 pm »

Wait!

Let's not get distracted over whether our servicemen need moral teaching, or whether gays should be banned. Let's discuss the party's official position on the Anti-conscription bill.

I say we should work for a compromise that would allow for a draft only in wartime.

I say we work to defeat it and if we have to settle for a compromise then so be it...

That is my mentality with all this and in life- push for what you want and if need be settle, but don't push with delicate hands. Come heavy or not at all

If a compromise can not be reached, then yes, Clarence, we should vote against it.
Amen
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« Reply #182 on: February 01, 2012, 10:21:21 pm »

Wait!

Let's not get distracted over whether our servicemen need moral teaching, or whether gays should be banned. Let's discuss the party's official position on the Anti-conscription bill.

I say we should work for a compromise that would allow for a draft only in wartime.

I say we work to defeat it and if we have to settle for a compromise then so be it...

That is my mentality with all this and in life- push for what you want and if need be settle, but don't push with delicate hands. Come heavy or not at all

If a compromise can not be reached, then yes, Clarence, we should vote against it.
Amen

Clarence, I admire your attitude.
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« Reply #183 on: February 01, 2012, 10:23:02 pm »

Wait!

Let's not get distracted over whether our servicemen need moral teaching, or whether gays should be banned. Let's discuss the party's official position on the Anti-conscription bill.

I say we should work for a compromise that would allow for a draft only in wartime.

I say we work to defeat it and if we have to settle for a compromise then so be it...

That is my mentality with all this and in life- push for what you want and if need be settle, but don't push with delicate hands. Come heavy or not at all

If a compromise can not be reached, then yes, Clarence, we should vote against it.
Amen

Clarence, I admire your attitude.
Thanks brother- likewise
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« Reply #184 on: February 01, 2012, 10:26:11 pm »

I think Clarence is right- let's push back as hard as we can, even if we don't get a full defeat, we can force a compromise.
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« Reply #185 on: February 01, 2012, 10:27:13 pm »

I think Clarence is right- let's push back as hard as we can, even if we don't get a full defeat, we can force a compromise.

Let's also be sure to codify our position on this in the platform.
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« Reply #186 on: February 01, 2012, 11:06:20 pm »

The one on morality in our fighting men and women? If we are a conservative party, wouldn't we want to teach personal morality to our fighting men and women? Also, I know what I'm about to say will get me blasted like crazy but I must say it..... Banning gays from military service.

Do you not believe our service members have personal morality?

I believe many do seek to live morally virtuous lives. Sadly many around the world who serve in our military do not.

Would I support conscription in wartime as a compromise? I actually would.
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« Reply #187 on: February 02, 2012, 07:56:04 pm »

Does one have to be a morally virtuous person on issues unrelated to shooting the enemy, human rights, and nation building to be allowed into the armed services?
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« Reply #188 on: February 02, 2012, 08:05:39 pm »

There was a time in American history where these matters were far more important than building other people's nations.
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« Reply #189 on: February 02, 2012, 08:19:56 pm »

There was a time in American history where these matters were far more important than building other people's nations.

I'm talking in the hypothetical. As long as a gay member of the military doesn't start hitting on another military member, and as long as other certain deeds go undone while on active duty, I don't see a problem with it.
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« Reply #190 on: March 12, 2012, 07:30:33 pm »

I propose, since we have Clarence as a Whig Senator, to begin drafting a formal platform.
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« Reply #191 on: March 13, 2012, 03:45:37 pm »

I propose, since we have Clarence as a Whig Senator, to begin drafting a formal platform.

I agree, and I suggest we take up Simfan's draft that he posted on the first page and change it wherever a majority of party members think it is necessary:

We, the members of the Communitarian Whig Party, desirous of the advancement of the state of Atlasia, our country, and the preservation of its society, believe:

-That the foundation of a democratic, peaceful, and prosperous society is the family and community.
-That we simultaneously re-affirm the idea of personal responsibility, aided via the community.
-That the greatest long-term crisis facing Atlasia today is the decline of social capital and community, which shall eventually come to harm that democratic, peaceful, and prosperous society we enjoy.
-That greatest power in the land is not the State, whether Federal or Regional, but instead the community and the individual.

-That the government is not the arbiter nor origin of economic growth, but rather a force than can and should be used to assisted the marketplace in its growth, in the interests of community and the nation.
-That the model of free and unrestricted two-way trade is the optimal model for trade between nations
-That the government is, by nature, the power that can best provide certain resources and services to society.
-The government should regulate trade and industry to maximize social equity, while in a manner that does not impede the normal functioning of the economy
-That welfare is meant to temporarily assist, not provide for, the people

-That Atlasia must be mindful of its being the world's foremost power
-That military conflict, in general, is counter to the well-being of man and thus must be avoided unless necessary
-That diplomacy, not warfare, is the cornerstone of foreign relations
-That multilateralism and collective security- a community of nations- is the best way to advance Atlasia's interests abroad
-That the goals set out in foreign interventions must be achieved.

-That the maintenance of tradition is an integral part of society
-That the concepts of "rights" and "entitlements" must be balanced by an awareness of responsibilities obligations to others
-That the life of all must be defended, and so both executions and abortion must be made rare
-That the promotion of culture and science is an integral function of society and its organizations.
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« Reply #192 on: March 13, 2012, 05:06:53 pm »

I have strong issue with the foreign policy plank... multilateralism should not be the goal- I believe we must remain the world's only superpower
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« Reply #193 on: March 13, 2012, 08:09:35 pm »

One can have both- cooperation through leadership.
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« Reply #194 on: March 13, 2012, 11:52:37 pm »

I agree Simfan- but I believe multilateralism implies we want other nations to match out strength... unless I don't understand the term?
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« Reply #195 on: March 14, 2012, 06:51:03 am »

I agree Simfan- but I believe multilateralism implies we want other nations to match out strength... unless I don't understand the term?

Nope, multilateralism is just that you behave in a cooperative way, not only on your own in every case.
Of course, when it's needed, even a multilateral policy, you keep your right to act on your own.

And it's written "the best way": not the only one.
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« Reply #196 on: March 30, 2012, 12:29:53 pm »

BUMP!
It is time now for leadership election, IMO.
I draft Simfan for Chairman and humbly Myself for Vice-Chairman.
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« Reply #197 on: March 31, 2012, 08:46:37 am »

Is Simfan still here?
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« Reply #198 on: March 31, 2012, 09:49:51 am »

His last visit was yesterday.
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« Reply #199 on: March 31, 2012, 10:01:47 am »

What I mean is- does he still participate in the Fantasy elections
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