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« on: January 30, 2012, 04:47:47 PM »

Yeah, I thought so...

Like JFK, Romney will be a President of all Americans, and he will obviously not allow his religion to get in the way of his professional duties.


I think this anti-Mormonism is quite ugly and really ought to stop.
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2012, 04:59:11 PM »

I know the clumsy point you're trying to make... Catholicism does not equal Mormonism (microscopic representation, and the weight of stereotyping - polygamy/magic underwear). I personally think there are many reasons to have issues with a Romney presidency, but his Mormonism isn't one of them.

 
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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2012, 05:14:12 PM »

Most Christian religions contain some form of bs, but they can hide behind 2,000 years of history. Mormonism is on a whole different level of crazy.

Do you really believe that some uneducated loon dug up some magical gold plates (that mysteriously disappeared) that tell of people from the Middle East who sailed to North America despite the technological impossibility of the time and overwhelming genetic evidence that says that native Americans do not descend from people of Middle East Origin? Do you want a president that believes in such absurdity?
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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2012, 05:23:29 PM »
« Edited: January 30, 2012, 05:37:11 PM by Politico »

Not directed towards any member on here in particular:

Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints believe in Jesus Christ and all that entails, and that's enough for most Christians as evidenced by Romney's strong GOP victories in New Hampshire, Florida, and everywhere else Romney is going to win. Being Mormon is certainly more mainstream than living an alternative lifestyle, so I would keep that in mind the next time you want to go on a bigoted anti-Mormon diatribe.

There is no place for bigotry in this campaign race.

Full disclosure: I am non-religious, and could really care less about aspects of Mormonism because I know Romney is going to be a competent president who gets the job done well while representing all Americans. This is about electing the next POTUS, not the Pope. Romney is a faithful, loving family man who donates to numerous charities and does a lot of volunteer work. He seems like a good guy who should not be discriminated against based upon his religious beliefs.
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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2012, 05:30:38 PM »

Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints believe in Jesus Christ and all that entails, and that's enough for most Christians as evidenced by Romney's GOP victories in New Hampshire and Florida. Being Mormon is certainly more mainstream than most alternative lifestyles, so I would keep that in mind the next time you want to go on an anti-Mormon diatribe.

Florida will be the key... if Romney does well enough in the Pan-Handle among Evangelicals, then that will show they're less-concerned with what he believes, rather, in electability.

But if you're going to react with righteous indignation when someone brings it up... you're being extremely blinkered.
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2012, 05:36:32 PM »

Seriously, how about instead of actually posting, you just copy/paste links to Romney ads on YouTube from now on?
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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2012, 05:38:51 PM »

It is a fact that Romney's religious beliefs and his religious upbringing have shaped and continue to inform his political views. He was a high-ranking member of the Mormon church. He has frequently included (very vague) mentions of God and religion into his political speeches. The idea that we are not allowed to talk about this because it's bigotry or some religious test is ridiculous.
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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2012, 05:45:09 PM »
« Edited: January 30, 2012, 05:47:52 PM by Nagas »

Hahahaha! The bigot card! How childish. A candidate's religion is fair game. If a candidate's religion led them to believe that certain minorities in our country were lesser humans or denied the holocaust (not saying Romney believes in either), it is the public's right to know because their religion will affect and shape their decisions in office, whether it be foreign or domestic policy. It is fair game to inquire if Romney legitimately believes in the historical inaccuracies that are a foundation for many believers of his faith. If he does, I would question his competency in choosing absurdity over reason.

I am not "anti-Mormon." I am against absurdity. I have many friends who are Mormon but reject a lot of the bs that is in its history and texts.
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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2012, 05:54:21 PM »

Let's put this in the megathread...
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« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2012, 06:07:16 PM »

Mitt, the magic Mormon...
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« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2012, 06:12:05 PM »


The megathread is far more anti-Gingrich than pro-Romney. Besides, I have suggested it be locked after Romney locks up Florida. No point in continuing a thread about Gingrich after he is irrelevant.
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« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2012, 06:13:53 PM »

Hahahaha! The bigot card! How childish. A candidate's religion is fair game. If a candidate's religion led them to believe that certain minorities in our country were lesser humans or denied the holocaust (not saying Romney believes in either), it is the public's right to know because their religion will affect and shape their decisions in office, whether it be foreign or domestic policy. It is fair game to inquire if Romney legitimately believes in the historical inaccuracies that are a foundation for many believers of his faith. If he does, I would question his competency in choosing absurdity over reason.

I am not "anti-Mormon." I am against absurdity. I have many friends who are Mormon but reject a lot of the bs that is in its history and texts.

Let's get real. Romney did not get where he is by being an unintelligent individual. If you want to go this bigoted and ugly route, with a dose of John Edwards' "Two Americas" class warfare, you are more than welcome. But I can assure you that it is not going to bode well for Obama and Co., especially less than four years after "hope and change."
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« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2012, 06:17:47 PM »
« Edited: January 30, 2012, 06:19:32 PM by Mutthole Surfers »

I really don't see how discussing Romney's religion is any different than discussing Obama's pastor in Chicago. At least Obama distanced himself from that nut. Romney's whole life is built around a pagan faith that preaches hatred of non Indo-European peoples.
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« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2012, 06:24:44 PM »

Actually, Politico, Christians in this country for the most part believe Mormonism is a false religion that adds to the words of the Bible when the Bible says explicitly not to.  In addition, their end times prophecy is far different than the true end times prophecy that is taking place in our day and age with Israel and such.  Mormons believe that once they create a theocratic form of socialism with a Mormon president in the USA that Jesus will return to Independence, MO.  Romney is a high elder in the Mormon church and Mormons believe that once he becomes president it will be a fulfillment of their prophecy which they work towards dilligently.  

They control entire cities out west - every, and I mean, every lever of power as part of their strategy.  See Mesa, AZ for a prime example.  

Non-dominionist Christians like myself believe that the end times events will play out in their own time and place.  We can neither control, slow down or speed up the pace of those events.  The only thing we do is watch and wait for the rapture/non-rapture second coming with 7 years of the antichrist and an Israel peace treaty.  
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« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2012, 06:42:46 PM »

This.

I would say that a man that has come to pave the path for the second coming of the messiah by being elected the first Non-Christian President of the United States in 2012 is something out of a Left Behind novel.
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« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2012, 07:06:57 PM »

This.

I would say that a man that has come to pave the path for the second coming of the messiah by being elected the first Non-Christian President of the United States in 2012 is something out of a Left Behind novel.
Have you even read the Left Behind novels?
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« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2012, 07:15:53 PM »

You mean its about a Romanian guy taking over the world via the UN and subsequently causing genocide after genocide...split hairs, why doncha...
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« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2012, 07:31:57 PM »

You mean its about a Romanian guy taking over the world via the UN and subsequently causing genocide after genocide...split hairs, why doncha...
Yeah, but thats Biblically based.  Doesnt mean the guy is gonna be Romanian necessarily, but most certainly the EU or UN will be involved and the genocide will occur.
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« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2012, 07:34:13 PM »

This thread has taken quite the turn.
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« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2012, 07:42:31 PM »
« Edited: January 30, 2012, 07:44:03 PM by Jacobtm »


I think this anti-Mormonism is quite ugly and really ought to stop.

Not at all.

It's Mormonism that's ugly. People are just shining a light on it.

Hopefully this will lead the way to open discussion about the true ugliness of every religion.

Christianity is one of the most powerful tools of oppression ever devised.
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« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2012, 09:10:48 PM »

I think the anti-Mormon rhetoric is certainly excessive, but regarding the comparison here, it's definitely worth pointing out that JFK was never a Catholic bishop.
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« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2012, 11:36:59 PM »

And that the only president to kiss the Pope's ring was Theodore Roosevelt.
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« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2012, 12:30:28 AM »
« Edited: January 31, 2012, 12:32:12 AM by ○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└ »

The really ugly thing is the extreme anti-atheism in this country.

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« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2012, 01:01:46 AM »

The really ugly thing is the extreme anti-atheism in this country.


It's only to be expected.

Religion is largely an evolutionary thing. Helps with group survival. Tribal bonds really.

What can you expect then, of people whose instincts draw them away from this kinda group-bonding-collective-illusion? Certainly the majority won't like us too much, we're actively choosing to not fit in to any group.
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« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2012, 07:08:42 AM »

Yeah, I thought so...

Like JFK, Romney will be a President of all Americans, and he will obviously not allow his religion to get in the way of his professional duties.
Obviously.

And that'd be true even if in his heart of hearts he wanted things otherwise. It's not as if a being a new Andrew Johnson would help presumptive Mormon plans for World Domination in any way.
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