Labor Party Standing Committee thread: Endorsement voting

[Napoleon]

I admire Nathan's ability to enter the thread and settle things with only one post while a good multi-member debate was going. It seems that every one collectively decide to step back and say "okay, that's that" as he demonstrated authority with a much lighter approach than the rest of us were taking. Very impressive.

[LastVoter]

...May I appoint you as Proctor to put together and declare an endorsement vote to be held over the next...shall we say, three calendar days (ending, perhaps, 12 am or 1 am on Monday)?....

Endorsement vote:
Napoleon
[]Yes []No
Young Tweed
[]Yes []No
Oakvale
[]Yes []No
Labor Endorsement order Preference(Only candidates that receive over 50% of the vote):
[]Napoleon
[]Young Tweed
[]Oakvale
Voting ends 6AM EST on Monday.

[Oakvale]

This is exceedingly minor, but shouldn't candidates be in alphabetical order?

[LastVoter]

This is exceedingly minor, but shouldn't candidates be in alphabetical order?

This isn't an official election

[Fritz]

What about 20RP12?

[LastVoter]

What about 20RP12?

I didn't expect a lot of people voting to endorse him, but you can write him in.

[ZuWo]

Just one word about the last Senat at-large elections because I see that this topic has been brought up again and again: One very important reason why Labor only managed to get one single seat was the fact that many of your Liberal "friends" chose to give their first preference to Andrew instead of your candidates. Had more members of the Liberal Party actually cared about that left-wing solidarity that they now demand from you, you would have at least 2 at-large Senators now.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Endorsement vote:
Napoleon
[X]Yes []No
Young Tweed
[]Yes []No [X]Abstain
Oakvale
[X]Yes []No
Labor Endorsement order Preference(Only candidates that receive over 50% of the vote):
[1]Napoleon
[3]Young Tweed
[2]Oakvale

Sorry, Oakie!

[Donerail]

What about 20RP12?

I didn't expect a lot of people voting to endorse him, but you can write him in.

He's the only Labor ticket running in a Labor election; I'd expect him to be on the ballot. (Napoleon is Liberal/IB, Oakvale is two independents, Tweed is CPoA/ELF, Clarence is Whig/IB, RP is Independent/Labor).

[hawkeye59]

Endorsement vote:
Napoleon
[X]Yes []No
Young Tweed
[]Yes []No [X]Abstain
Oakvale
[X]Yes []No
Labor Endorsement order Preference(Only candidates that receive over 50% of the vote):
[1]Napoleon
[3]Young Tweed
[2]Oakvale

[Antonio the Sixth]

Endorsement vote:
Napoleon
[X]Yes []No
Young Tweed
[X]Yes []No
Oakvale
[X]Yes []No
Labor Endorsement order Preference(Only candidates that receive over 50% of the vote):
[1]Napoleon
[3]Young Tweed
[2]Oakvale

[© tweed]

1. This party never even tentatively endorsed Tweed. I tentatively endorsed Tweed because I was given to understand that he had a better idea of what he was doing than he did. There was, rightly, a rebellion within the party and I, I think rightly, backed down when I realized that I was wrong and most of the party was right.

this I do not like.  if I ran a contained and boring campaign like my opponents it would be easy to wear a veil of teflon, never make an error.  I will make errors!  but I will act, I am nebulous, not a formed commodity packaged for the June election.  try, fail, try again, it works, try again.  Permanent Revolution to Trotsky, 'Begin at the Beginning' from Lenin.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

Napoleon

[X]Yes []No

Young Tweed
[]Yes [X]No

Oakvale
[X]Yes []No

Labor Endorsement order Preference(Only candidates that receive over 50% of the vote):

[1]Napoleon
[3]20RP12
[2]Oakvale

[Fritz]

My vote is to endorse the following, in this order:

1. Napolean
2. 20RP12
3. Tweed
4. Oakvale

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Just one word about the last Senat at-large elections because I see that this topic has been brought up again and again: One very important reason why Labor only managed to get one single seat was the fact that many of your Liberal "friends" chose to give their first preference to Andrew instead of your candidates. Had more members of the Liberal Party actually cared about hat left-wing solidarity that they now demand from you, you would have at least 2 at-large Senators now.

I'm impressed, trying a bit of boat rocking eh?

[Adam Griffin]

Napoleon
[X]Yes []No

Young Tweed
[X]Yes []No

Oakvale
[X]Yes []No


[1]Napoleon
[2]Young Tweed
[3]Oakvale

[Marokai Backbeat]

Just one word about the last Senat at-large elections because I see that this topic has been brought up again and again: One very important reason why Labor only managed to get one single seat was the fact that many of your Liberal "friends" chose to give their first preference to Andrew instead of your candidates. Had more members of the Liberal Party actually cared about that left-wing solidarity that they now demand from you, you would have at least 2 at-large Senators now.

Honestly I completely agree with this, despite the fact that I'll be first preferencing Napoleon and have the most confidence in him of all the candidates, it always has bothered me that when it comes to "Left wing solidarity" all it really means is "support the centrist left." That being said, however? I don't see what this has to do with anything.

Also I'd just like to note I'm really happy that Nathan has backed off of his past support for Tweed, as I very nearly left the party when he did.


Napoleon
[X]Yes []No

Young Tweed
[]Yes [X]No

Oakvale
[X]Yes []No

Labor Endorsement order Preference(Only candidates that receive over 50% of the vote):

[1]Napoleon
[2]Oakvale

[LastVoter]

Endorsement vote:
Napoleon
[X]Yes []No
Young Tweed
[X]Yes []No
Oakvale
[]Yes [X]No
Labor Endorsement order Preference(Only candidates that receive over 50% of the vote):
[1]Napoleon
[2]Young Tweed
[N/A]Oakvale

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Why not Oakvale?

[Napoleon]

Just one word about the last Senat at-large elections because I see that this topic has been brought up again and again: One very important reason why Labor only managed to get one single seat was the fact that many of your Liberal "friends" chose to give their first preference to Andrew instead of your candidates. Had more members of the Liberal Party actually cared about that left-wing solidarity that they now demand from you, you would have at least 2 at-large Senators now.

Honestly I completely agree with this, despite the fact that I'll be first preferencing Napoleon and have the most confidence in him of all the candidates, it always has bothered me that when it comes to "Left wing solidarity" all it really means is "support the centrist left." That being said, however? I don't see what this has to do with anything.

I'd like to respond, whether or not you are talking about the Liberal Party specifically or past left-wing parties, but I think Andrew won votes from Liberals and center-left independents for a number of complex reasons, including the complacency set it from expecting Labor would win at least two seats in both left-wing parties, and the following understanding that having a pragmatic centrist would have been superior to a Whig, and that it is worth giving him a leg up over the far-right. Snowstalker was also supported strongly by Liberals.

A big reason, for my vote, and others, too, I'm sure, is President Polnut's endorsement. While I did vote for Snowstalker over Andrew in another race, and supported the two equally with my PAC, I had a natural inclination to support the President; I also hope that supporters will respect my endorsements if I am elected. The Liberals are also concentrated in the Northeast where Andrew served as our Governor recently and has many personal connections. It is also likely a factor at play with Snowstalker, where we've supported him. I also had assumed this was Snowstalker's (and your?) reason for voting for Cincinnatus over Nathan back in the day (I voted for Nathan first each time he ran for Senate).

These expectations of victory were not unreasonable. We didn't think Labor's turn out would collapse despite running three candidates and their candidates' lack of a GOTV effort translated to less active Liberals too. The call for "Left wing solidarity" as you term it, is a reaction to this disappointment, and this disappointment is not because of Andrew's victory, either. In fact, despite all the problems at hand, Snowstalker lost by a single vote, give or take. I even spent two hours digging through the votes and electoral law holding out hope for seeing he made it through. In no part is it a hypocritical call for support where it is not reciprocated. I've personally assisted Labor candidates and Labor officers in the Northeast Region. Though some may perceive me as leaning toward the center, my record on worker's rights speaks for itself and I think that with how much is at stake in this election, you can trust Kalwejt and I with the support of this party. I feel there was a lesson to be learned from April.

Consider this a response to both Marokai and ZuWo's instigating statements. I also thank you for your support at this point, I appreciate it and look forward to keeping the fight going during this campaign and if I am fortunate to have the opportunity, four months after this campaign.

[Pyro]

Napoleon
[X]Yes []No
Young Tweed
[X]Yes []No
Oakvale
[]Yes []No [X]Abstain

Labor Endorsement order Preference(Only candidates that receive over 50% of the vote):
[X] Abstain
I am torn between two of the candidates, and therefore cannot make any official preferences of endorsements at this time.

[LastVoter]

Why not Oakvale?

He defines neoliberalism.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Why not Oakvale?

He defines neoliberalism.

....lol

[ZuWo]

Just one word about the last Senat at-large elections because I see that this topic has been brought up again and again: One very important reason why Labor only managed to get one single seat was the fact that many of your Liberal "friends" chose to give their first preference to Andrew instead of your candidates. Had more members of the Liberal Party actually cared about hat left-wing solidarity that they now demand from you, you would have at least 2 at-large Senators now.

I'm impressed, trying a bit of boat rocking eh?

You call it "boat rocking", I call it "stating the obvious" because what I said can easily be verified in the voting booth thread. I sympathize with the Labor Party to a certain extent because it is the counterpart of the Whig Party; while the Whig Party occupies the right pole of the political spectrum, the Labor Party is on the left, and the other parties are all more or less clearly identifiable in between. Indeed, for relatively extreme parties like the Labor or the Whig Party it can be frustrating to be expected to support self-declared moderate center-left or center-right candidates when, at the same time, these moderates are not ready to support you when it matters for you.

[Fmr President & Senator Polnut]

Just one word about the last Senat at-large elections because I see that this topic has been brought up again and again: One very important reason why Labor only managed to get one single seat was the fact that many of your Liberal "friends" chose to give their first preference to Andrew instead of your candidates. Had more members of the Liberal Party actually cared about hat left-wing solidarity that they now demand from you, you would have at least 2 at-large Senators now.

I'm impressed, trying a bit of boat rocking eh?

You call it "boat rocking", I call it "stating the obvious" because what I said can easily be verified in the voting booth thread. I sympathize with the Labor Party to a certain extent because it is the counterpart of the Whig Party; while the Whig Party occupies the right pole of the political spectrum, the Labor Party is on the left, and the other parties are all more or less clearly identifiable in between. Indeed, for relatively extreme parties like the Labor or the Whig Party it can be frustrating to be expected to support self-declared moderate center-left or center-right candidates when, at the same time, these moderates are not ready to support you when it matters for you.

I think Atlasia is slightly less prone to complete party loyalty.

The fact is, the last election showed that the progressive/left/centre, generally realised that we should work together.

I personally think the Labor Party should make it's own determination, based on its own needs. But, like the last election, realise the reality of the situation, and how easily the situation could backfire.

I'm in no position, and nor would I, if I were in a position, to tell the Labor Party what to do. I've done what I can as President to make sure those who preferenced me highly in the last election did not regret it... too much.

So, it's a big call for the Labor Party - as it will be for me personally when I make my call later in the month.