Anti-Conscription Amendment [Rejected]

[TJ in Oregon]

I will vote against this unless it includes an exception for a direct attack on Atlasian soil, and the conscription to be done by the federal government and not be regions because regional conscription for a federal army makes no sense.

I propose the following amendment:

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[TJ in Oregon]

Aye

So, let me get this straight, if the nation was being invaded, you would still oppose using to conscription to defend it? If that were to actually happen somehow, it doesn't look like our government would last too long...

[TJ in Oregon]

New attempt at a passable amendment:

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[TJ in Oregon]

Aye

[TJ in Oregon]

Doesn't that defeat the point of having conscription under a land invasion? If we're getting invaded by Canada it doesn't make much sense to enact conscription and then station them in Japan or Germany or somewhere else.

[TJ in Oregon]

Nay

[TJ in Oregon]

I am going to re-offer the Polnut amendment without the last Sentence about frontline capacity.

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We already voted on this exact same amendment before Polnut's.

Is there a reason why the vote should turn out differently this time?

[TJ in Oregon]

Aye

[TJ in Oregon]

Are they any statistics suggesting that in a time of war, not enough Atlasians would be willing to fight in said war? Honest question.

The problem is that when we talk about a constitutional amendment, it needs to consider not only all possibilities that could conceivably occur now but at any point in the future. A constitution needs to be well enough written that it can be applied beyond the scope of the vision of those doing the writing.

[TJ in Oregon]

Nay

It seems that no one really wants this compromise.

[TJ in Oregon]

The problem with this issue is that there isn't very much will for a compromise. The anti-conscription side refuses to support anything that could still allow conscription, whereas some of the more moderate voices on the issue don't want a constitutional ammendment banning it without exception. Therefore, the status-quo will prevail unless either group relents.

I probably would have voted in favor of my original wording that was struck down right after this was proposed and gave serious thought to supporting the current. But, to be honest I can't imagine conscription being implemented anyway in Atlasia without some truly incredible circumstances anyway so I viewed the status quo as preferable to this wording.