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Antonio the Sixth
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« on: February 07, 2012, 12:51:28 PM »

Not fair, but understandable.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2012, 04:00:55 PM »

Why is Tender playing the part of the neoliberal a-hole here ? Huh
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2012, 09:56:50 AM »
« Edited: February 09, 2012, 10:11:57 AM by Antonio V »

I'm hardly neo-liberal, I just want Greece to get more productive and arrive in the 21st century world of economic competition, which is very important these days. If you are a part of a highly productive Union, you should at least try and show the others that you still want to be productive in the future and not give up and complain. But I also recognize that the EU alltogether made a mistake in accepting countries like Greece or Portugal to be members so soon. A country should need at least 90% of the productivity/debt/deficit of the whole EU to join. If this would have been the case, a lot of these problems wouldn't take place right now. Greece would just go bankrupt like many other failed countries before and start from zero.

As for Franzl: Yeah, it's probably got to do with mentality. Austrians/Germans have grandparents who tell their grandchildren of how difficult it was after WW2, when they built our 2 countries back up out of the ashes and made them one of the most well managed and productive countries in the World. And it's passed along the generations. If you are told that you must work hard and don't whine around you also expect something like this from the people of Greece. That could also be a reason why there are almost no strikes here.

I really don't get this logic. How do you expect Greece to develop, modernize and become productive through savage austerity measures no civilized country could ever accept ? Don't you see how cutting the Welfare State, cutting social protections basically leads to economic and social regression ? How can you consider yourself a social-democrat and advocate such policies ?!? All these measures are doing is pushing Greece into recession. Recession means less tax revenues, less tax revenues mean an even bigger deficit. So what do you do, another austerity plan ? Great ! When will this stop ? When there is no deficit, because there's no government anymore. And there will be no civilization anymore, as mass unemployment and poverty would have led to the breakup of social contract.

People, grow up. THINK, for God's sake. Deficit isn't good, especially in times of economic prosperity. It's better to have a surplus than to have a deficit, of course. But since Keynes, everybody with half 1/100th of a brain understands that a deficit might be necessary to avoid economic collaps in times of recession. It has been proven thousands of times that making deficit reduction a higher priority than restoring growth equals economic suicide. Someone who thinks Greek people deserve this because their past (right-wing) government let the deficit grow to excessive level could, IMO, reasonably be called an asshole. I hope it's not your case.
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Antonio the Sixth
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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2012, 12:24:34 PM »

Oh really ? Austria's austerity plan doesn't hurt middle classes as much as Greece's ? Maybe it has to do with the fact Austria's debt is less than half of Greece's... or that the Austrian welfare is more protective to begin with. Of course there are solutions to end the structural deficits in southern economies, but these are long-term solutions : fighting against tax evasions, ending undue loopholes and exemptions or cutting spending in improductive government sectors. But these are long-term solutions, it's not something you can fix from one budget law to the next one. And instead, what Europe and the Great and Virtuous Countries are pushing for, are short-term plans to cut the deficit. Except that nothing work mechanically when we talks about economics. You won't diminish the deficit by 1 bilion by defunding for 1 bilion of programs which sustained the economy. If this it were the case, Greece would be in surplus right now. Instead, the only thing you people have achieved is sending people into utter misery while Greek finances are worse off than they were 2 years ago. Great job.
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Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2012, 04:16:42 PM »

The Albanian troll is Mr. Twister/The Professor.

LOLno
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