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TheGlobalizer
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« on: February 07, 2012, 04:50:04 PM »

I'm not sure how Santorum really fits farmland, seems a strange combination (he's clearly more of a rust belt socon).  Maybe if they abandon Gingrich en masse, but I am having a hard time visualizing that sort of a swing.

We'll see.  I wouldn't mind Gingrich getting out of the race.  While amusing, his joke/troll act has gone on a few states too long.
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TheGlobalizer
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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2012, 09:12:31 PM »

What the actual f**k is going on here...
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TheGlobalizer
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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2012, 10:04:21 PM »

What the actual f**k is going on here...
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TheGlobalizer
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« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2012, 02:14:23 PM »

A corrupt anti-gay person is not more electable than Romney or even Paul.  I'm sorry.

Yes.

Good news is that it makes more space/uncertainty for Paul, and if Santorum gets the nomination, more space for Gary Johnson.
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TheGlobalizer
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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2012, 02:55:37 PM »

A corrupt anti-gay person is not more electable than Romney or even Paul.  I'm sorry.

Mitt Romney's pro-gay? Really?

Congratulations!  You've just committed a logical fallacy.

Romney isn't pro-gay but he's not particularly anti-gay.  Santorum is particularly anti-gay.
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TheGlobalizer
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2012, 04:31:57 PM »

This is a serious question I'm asking Mitt's supporters.  Do you think a guy with this incompetent of a campaign, who seemingly miss these rather obvious points, can actually win an election barring it being a situation where anyone can win?

All it is going to take to beat Obama is NOT having a history of speaking about man-on-dog relations, colonizing the dark side of the moon, and bringing back the gold standard while allowing Iran to obtain nuclear weapons.

Neither sleeping with multiple mistresses nor sleeping with a fetus is going to be a huge winner with the 20% of the electorate who are going to decide whether or not Obama gets thrown out. The Santorum bit is a true tragedy, and I see nothing wrong with it because I cannot say what I would do in that situation. I might very well do the same thing he did. However, I am just reporting what the swing voters are going to think about it. The forecast: Not looking good. Still, Santorum is a huge improvement over the moral degeneracy of Newt Gingrich...

I agree with most of this, except the Ron Paul stuff, which most of the electorate generally agrees with (even though I differ from him on the gold standard, I don't have any problem with fiat currency).

Romney's "strength" is that he's not extreme.  In a general election, I think the recurring point is that Obama is, and there's plenty of supporting material.

I'd much prefer an ideologically pure libertarian, and remain convinced that Paul is the strongest GE candidate.
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TheGlobalizer
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« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2012, 01:44:51 PM »

Romney's "strength" is that he's not extreme.  In a general election, I think the recurring point is that Obama is, and there's plenty of supporting material.


This is a joke, right? Apologies if it is and I've missed it, but there are plenty of people on this sub-forum who post things like this on a regular basis without any trace of irony.
I know us Irish have none of it, but a lot of Americans have been convinced the Obama is extreme. Globalizer might be saying Romney will call Obama extreme, that Americans think Obama is extreme, or that he thinks Obama is extreme.

All of the above, to varying degrees.

In recent American political discourse, he isn't extreme in message, but he is extreme in outcomes.  HillaryCare was extreme and was killed.  ObamaCare is extreme and was passed through shenanigans.  Obama has been extreme on enviromental issues, particularly his "green jobs" fetish.

I'm sure he's a moderate by Greenwich Village (or Irish) standards but by American apple pie standards, he's pretty far outside of the norm.  Taking some sort of global perspective isn't really relevant.  By global standards, spousal rape isn't particularly extreme either - it's all based on your frame of reference.  The relevant scope of analysis here is American political discourse.
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TheGlobalizer
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« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2012, 02:37:54 PM »

The odd thing is that policy-wise Obama isn't extreme at all but discourse-wise he's painted as extreme because the American political culture has created a false consciousness that tends to be very far to the right of what people actually want when polled honestly on the issues. I think at one point something like a third of all opposition to Obamacare was from the left.

IMO, 10% of the population on the left is extreme.  As are about 15% or so on the right.  The rest of us get along with each other just fine.
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TheGlobalizer
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E: 6.84, S: -7.13

« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2012, 06:01:08 PM »

The odd thing is that policy-wise Obama isn't extreme at all but discourse-wise he's painted as extreme because the American political culture has created a false consciousness that tends to be very far to the right of what people actually want when polled honestly on the issues. I think at one point something like a third of all opposition to Obamacare was from the left.

IMO, 10% of the population on the left is extreme.  As are about 15% or so on the right.  The rest of us get along with each other just fine.

Well, yes, but my point was that Obama's policy proposals divorced from how they're spun and rhetoricalized really aren't outside the American mainstream at all.

I disagree.  His proposals are far outside of the mainstream as I perceive it, but then he compromises the sh** out of them to force them into the mainstream, successfully pissing everyone off.

My view of his record is that he's an unprincipled socialist/progressive, with corporatist tendencies.
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