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« Reply #50 on: July 24, 2012, 01:29:44 AM »

Once we get enough states on the ballot and majority of them pass, that will send a message to the Federal govt. that it's time to fully legalize.

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« Reply #51 on: July 24, 2012, 01:44:45 AM »

In case you don't read the WA thread, SUSA says pot legalization is up 23 (yes, 23!) in Washington.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=2786ebbd-3348-4795-b0a8-0ee124a9707d
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« Reply #52 on: July 24, 2012, 09:38:12 PM »

A good breakdown of the WA/OR/CO initiatives: http://nationalcannabiscoalition.com/2012/07/comparing-marijuana-legalization-measures-in-oregon-colorado-and-washington-state/

In case you don't read the WA thread, SUSA says pot legalization is up 23 (yes, 23!) in Washington.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=2786ebbd-3348-4795-b0a8-0ee124a9707d

Good poll numbers for Washington. Looks to be the most favored to pass so far.
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« Reply #53 on: July 26, 2012, 08:07:51 PM »

In case you missed it: The Los Angeles City Council voted to shut down all pot dispensaries in the city within 45 days.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/26/what-will-los-angeles-ban-on-medical-marijuana-dispensaries-mean.html

My favorite dispensary is in LA. Sad
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« Reply #54 on: July 27, 2012, 01:51:43 AM »

wtf LA Angry
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« Reply #55 on: July 27, 2012, 02:11:20 AM »

Oregon SoS says the other legalization initiative (IP-24) doesn't have enough signatures: https://twitter.com/oregonelections/status/228536743425630208

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Looks like Arkansas might have a medical marijuana initiative too: http://www.news-leader.com/viewart/20120706/NEWS07/307060083/Arkansas-medical-marijuana-backers-submit-petitions

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« Reply #56 on: July 27, 2012, 02:44:31 AM »

In case you missed it: The Los Angeles City Council voted to shut down all pot dispensaries in the city within 45 days.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/07/26/what-will-los-angeles-ban-on-medical-marijuana-dispensaries-mean.html

My favorite dispensary is in LA. Sad

Complete idiots. At least San Jose had the sense to back down on their ban but I fear this may embolden them. Deliveries are the way to go I guess. I also wonder how the idiots are planning on replacing the sales tax revenue they get from these shops. I guess the LA city council wants to give more money to the Mexican Mafia.
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« Reply #57 on: July 27, 2012, 02:57:15 AM »

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So what the hell is the point of this?
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« Reply #58 on: July 27, 2012, 11:27:20 AM »

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So what the hell is the point of this?

Maybe what Los Angeles needs is a separate sales tax on Marijuana. I think that is one of the reasons the dispensaries survived in San Jose, because there is an additional 7% tax slapped on by the city on top of the regular sales tax.
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« Reply #59 on: August 11, 2012, 07:19:27 PM »

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2018898246_marijaunaofm11m.html

The state government estimates that legalizing marijuana could bring up to $1.9 billion in revenue to Washington over five years... Shocked
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« Reply #60 on: August 11, 2012, 08:50:14 PM »

According to the dispensary I visit, only certain establishments are being shuttered. This is supposedly an effort to give the police teeth to shut down the dispensaries that sell more than just weed.

And even if they did shutter them all, there's always West Hollywood.
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« Reply #61 on: August 11, 2012, 09:06:42 PM »

I actually don't mind them cracking down on the shady places, provided they do just that.
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« Reply #62 on: August 18, 2012, 10:30:31 PM »

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2018898246_marijaunaofm11m.html

The state government estimates that legalizing marijuana could bring up to $1.9 billion in revenue to Washington over five years... Shocked

I wonder what makes the Washington measure worth so much more? The Oregon proposal claims to be about $120-150 million annually and the Colorado measure was just scored at a similar number ($60-100m / yr): http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/16/legalized-marijuana-could_n_1791448.html

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Also I missed the action in North Dakota. They might have a medical marijuana ballot initiative too: http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/ND-likely-to-debate-medical-marijuana-proposal-3766081.php

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« Reply #63 on: August 18, 2012, 10:32:32 PM »

The $1.9b figure was over five years, which comes out to around $380m annually. Once you account for Washington being close to twice the size of Oregon, the numbers really aren't too wildly different.
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« Reply #64 on: August 18, 2012, 10:37:59 PM »
« Edited: August 18, 2012, 11:46:01 PM by greenforest32 »

For some reason I read it as 'over three years' Tongue

The Colorado numbers do seem a bit lower though.

EDIT: Just looked over the numbers for California's initiative from 2010 and the $1.4b/yr figure is in line with the others when you consider California's population is about 10x of Oregon's: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Proposition_19_%282010%29#Fiscal_impact

So a rough estimate is that the states are losing out on $10-15 billion a year in direct tax revenues? That's about 1.3-2.0% of the total taxes they collect every year: http://www2.census.gov/govs/statetax/11staxrank.pdf

And that's just new revenue. There would be spending reductions as well in things like incarceration.
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« Reply #65 on: September 07, 2012, 11:56:20 AM »

PPP:
46% Obama, 44% Romeny, 5% Gary Johnson
Amendment 64: 47% support, 38% oppose, 15% undecided

Marijuana legalization is doing better than Obama or Romney in CO. Awwwww yeah.
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« Reply #66 on: September 08, 2012, 07:19:22 PM »

so odds are at least one of these will pass.  then it's on Obama to send the military West and keep the prison-industrial complex booming without a hiccup.
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« Reply #67 on: September 21, 2012, 12:45:17 AM »

Greenforest, whats the situation in Oregon look like?
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« Reply #68 on: September 21, 2012, 01:41:42 AM »

Greenforest, whats the situation in Oregon look like?

There's been virtually no advertising beyond a state representative and the former Secretary of State endorsing it: http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-19599-mari_wanna.html

It's losing in the polls already:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/07/oregon-divided-on-gay-marriage.html

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I think it will fail come election day but it will probably get more than the 26% the last legalization measure got in 1986: http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Oregon_Ballot_Measure_5_%281986%29
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« Reply #69 on: September 21, 2012, 08:35:39 PM »

The Oregon initiative is very poorly worded/written. Minors for example would be able to purchase marijuana plant seeds.

Eventhough I personally am in favor of legalization I would probably vote against it.
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« Reply #70 on: September 21, 2012, 11:23:38 PM »

The Oregon initiative is very poorly worded/written. Minors for example would be able to purchase marijuana plant seeds.

Eventhough I personally am in favor of legalization I would probably vote against it.

Is that really any different than how alcohol is treated in some states?

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Seems like a minor issue that could be addressed later anyway if it turns out to be such a big deal. I'll be voting yes as I think the measure as a whole represents a net improvement compared to the status quo.
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« Reply #71 on: September 22, 2012, 04:18:05 PM »

The Oregon initiative is very poorly worded/written. Minors for example would be able to purchase marijuana plant seeds.

Eventhough I personally am in favor of legalization I would probably vote against it.

Is that really any different than how alcohol is treated in some states?

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Seems like a minor issue that could be addressed later anyway if it turns out to be such a big deal. I'll be voting yes as I think the measure as a whole represents a net improvement compared to the status quo.

You don't pass bad laws, better to try again and have some somewhat competent actually write it.
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« Reply #72 on: September 22, 2012, 07:58:27 PM »

Well beyond that provision which I don't think is really bad enough that it should sink the entire initiative, it doesn't seem much worse than the Washington or Colorado measures.

Aside from the state-run store requirement, it's actually more permissive on the provisions like hemp and possession limits but maybe that's the problem for a state that doesn't even have dispensaries? At least that's the impression I get when I see some of their donation ads:



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Yeah and I'm pretty sure the Nebraska legalization measure didn't make the ballot. Their main site (http://www.neprop19.org/) is down and the signature deadline has already passed: http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Nebraska_2012_ballot_measures
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« Reply #73 on: October 05, 2012, 12:21:21 AM »

I hear talk that Connecticut is officially okay with medical cannabis. Cheesy
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« Reply #74 on: October 10, 2012, 02:41:54 AM »

http://blog.norml.org/2012/10/09/one-month-before-the-election-colorado-marijuana-legalization-still-up-ten-points/

I could see a 2016 legalization measure do well in Massachusetts: http://blog.norml.org/2012/10/09/massachusetts-medical-marijuana-initiative-set-to-win-in-a-landslide/

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