Greece 'far right' rejects austerity after 'socialists' capitulate!

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

At this point, if I were in Greece, I would be voting KKE. They might be unreformed Stalinists, but the cult of Marx is better than that of Market.

I'd be voting for SYRIZA; DIMAR is filled with too many Europhile sentiments for my tastes and I would never support an outright Communist party.

[Landslide Lyndon]

At this point, if I were in Greece, I would be voting KKE. They might be unreformed Stalinists, but the cult of Marx is better than that of Market.

I'd be voting for SYRIZA;

Trust me, you wouldn't.

[© tweed]

At this point, if I were in Greece, I would be voting KKE. They might be unreformed Stalinists, but the cult of Marx is better than that of Market.

I'd be voting for SYRIZA; DIMAR is filled with too many Europhile sentiments for my tastes and I would never support an outright Communist party.

the important thing that would swing me to KKE are its direct ties to the trade unions.  but I won't pretend to actually know anything about Greek politics.

[they don't love you like i love you]

This is why I am supporting Melenchon this year. The European 'left' has been a disaster and more neo-liberal than the neo-liberals.

this is only because elements of the right in Europe have to at least pay lip service to xenophobic/anti-European sentiment that is crucial to their base of popular support; meanwhile the bourgeois left has been entirely bought and sold and markets the prevailing version of firm-driven faux-internationalism without reserve.  if the right is right, it's for the wrong reasons --

agreed.

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All right in certain ways (except maybe Gaddafi), but not enough to actually support them. E.g., Saddam was right about not having WMD, but I wouldn't personally go so far as too actively root for the Iraqi military under Saddam against the US-led coalition. Just because LAOS is right about austerity, doesn't mean I support them to win elections.

How the hell was the Iranian theocracy in 2009 right about anything? Nor do I see how Gaddafi would be.

[© tweed]

they're right because they control areas not circumscribed within the hegemonic international neoliberal order.  Iraq is a blueprint for what happens when Western aggression moves in and creates or otherwise fills a power vacuum and it's absolutely horrific.  (granted there was no Western aggression as such in Iran 2009 but only because the West concluded there was no serious vulnerability on the part of the theocracy.)

[Beet]

Actually I was going to say they were right in the narrow sense that no convincing evidence of electoral fraud was produced. But I still would have supported the revolution even if there was no fraud.

[Gustaf]

This is why I am supporting Melenchon this year. The European 'left' has been a disaster and more neo-liberal than the neo-liberals.

this is only because elements of the right in Europe have to at least pay lip service to xenophobic/anti-European sentiment that is crucial to their base of popular support; meanwhile the bourgeois left has been entirely bought and sold and markets the prevailing version of firm-driven faux-internationalism without reserve.  if the right is right, it's for the wrong reasons --

agreed.

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All right in certain ways (except maybe Gaddafi), but not enough to actually support them. E.g., Saddam was right about not having WMD, but I wouldn't personally go so far as too actively root for the Iraqi military under Saddam against the US-led coalition. Just because LAOS is right about austerity, doesn't mean I support them to win elections.

How the hell was the Iranian theocracy in 2009 right about anything? Nor do I see how Gaddafi would be.

Don't be silly, Opebo is always spot on.

[opebo]

I miss him already.  I'm hoping to see him on T-shirts in Chatachuck market soon though.

I like this image:

[LastVoter]

Austerity:
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2012/02/athens-in-flames/100244/

[Hash]

At this point, if I were in Greece, I would be voting KKE. They might be unreformed Stalinists, but the cult of Marx is better than that of Market.

I'd be voting for SYRIZA;

Trust me, you wouldn't.

What is it you dislike so much about them, out of curiosity?

I'd vote KKE too. It's not like Greek elections matter any more than student council elections in grade 4.

[Politico]

Austerity:
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2012/02/athens-in-flames/100244/

Austerity? More like "discovering there is no such thing as a free lunch."

[Politico]

At this point, if I were in Greece, I would be voting KKE. They might be unreformed Stalinists, but the cult of Marx is better than that of Market.

Well, at least some California Democrats are honest about their true ideology. Kudos.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

Austerity:
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2012/02/athens-in-flames/100244/

Austerity? More like "discovering there is no such thing as a free lunch."

No. It's clear to anybody who isn't already a delusional market-cultist that the Greek government is complicit in the sadistic punishment of its own people. They're, among other things, firing tens of thousands of people. Not as an unfortunate side-effect. As the whole point.

Then again, you might not mind that, since you are on the record in this thread as exhorting the Athens Police to massacre civilians. Which, come to think of it, is probably being floated as an entirely proportionate response to the threat to The Markets.

[Insula Dei]

Politico's love for the hand that holds the whip is almost unmatched.

[Politico]

Austerity:
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2012/02/athens-in-flames/100244/

Austerity? More like "discovering there is no such thing as a free lunch."

No. It's clear to anybody who isn't already a delusional market-cultist that the Greek government is complicit in the sadistic punishment of its own people. They're, among other things, firing tens of thousands of people. Not as an unfortunate side-effect. As the whole point.

Then again, you might not mind that, since you are on the record in this thread as exhorting the Athens Police to massacre civilians. Which, come to think of it, is probably being floated as an entirely proportionate response to the threat to The Markets.

Government officials in Greece engaged in Enron-style accounting fraud to get into the Euro, and then they continued the facade for years and years until, like Bernie Madoff, they could no longer keep up the illusion. Government officials are solely responsible for the state of Greece. Government officials thought they could essentially lie, cheat and steal with impunity. They were wrong. There is no free lunch, and nobody is going to just hand them a "do-over" slate, especially not the people of the nations who were betrayed by Greece. The other members of the EU trusted Greece, and Greece betrayed that trust from the beginning and just kept increasing the severity of the deception until the house of cards fell down. Actions have consequences. The Greeks made their bed, and now they're going to have to sleep in it.

Blaming somebody/something else for your mistakes/problems is the easiest thing in the world to do, but the free market/bankers have nothing to do with any of this. This is merely an example of government corruption and its consequences.

[Politico]

I miss him already.  I'm hoping to see him on T-shirts in Chatachuck market soon though.

I like this image:

Is your Gaddafi man-crush for real, or are you joking?

[opebo]

I miss him already.  I'm hoping to see him on T-shirts in Chatachuck market soon though.

I like this image:

Is your Gaddafi man-crush for real, or are you joking?

Real of course.  What's not to like?

[Politico]

I miss him already.  I'm hoping to see him on T-shirts in Chatachuck market soon though.

I like this image:

Is your Gaddafi man-crush for real, or are you joking?

Real of course.  What's not to like?

Crimes against humanity? For example, ordering and/or helping terrorists blow up a Scottish airplane and bomb a German night club with American soldiers in it?

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

Austerity:
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2012/02/athens-in-flames/100244/

Austerity? More like "discovering there is no such thing as a free lunch."

No. It's clear to anybody who isn't already a delusional market-cultist that the Greek government is complicit in the sadistic punishment of its own people. They're, among other things, firing tens of thousands of people. Not as an unfortunate side-effect. As the whole point.

Then again, you might not mind that, since you are on the record in this thread as exhorting the Athens Police to massacre civilians. Which, come to think of it, is probably being floated as an entirely proportionate response to the threat to The Markets.

Government officials in Greece engaged in Enron-style accounting fraud to get into the Euro, and then they continued the facade for years and years until, like Bernie Madoff, they could no longer keep up the illusion. Government officials are solely responsible for the state of Greece. Government officials thought they could essentially lie, cheat and steal with impunity. They were wrong. There is no free lunch, and nobody is going to just hand them a "do-over" slate, especially not the people of the nations who were betrayed by Greece. The other members of the EU trusted Greece, and Greece betrayed that trust from the beginning and just kept increasing the severity of the deception until the house of cards fell down. Actions have consequences. The Greeks made their bed, and now they're going to have to sleep in it.

Blaming somebody/something else for your mistakes/problems is the easiest thing in the world to do, but the free market/bankers have nothing to do with any of this. This is merely an example of government corruption and its consequences.

You have such contempt for the Greek government, yet you have exhorted the Greek government to kill Greek civilians, publicly, in this thread.

Just pointing that out. Not to you, but to the rest of the forum should they be interested in this fact.

[Politico]

Austerity:
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2012/02/athens-in-flames/100244/

Austerity? More like "discovering there is no such thing as a free lunch."

No. It's clear to anybody who isn't already a delusional market-cultist that the Greek government is complicit in the sadistic punishment of its own people. They're, among other things, firing tens of thousands of people. Not as an unfortunate side-effect. As the whole point.

Then again, you might not mind that, since you are on the record in this thread as exhorting the Athens Police to massacre civilians. Which, come to think of it, is probably being floated as an entirely proportionate response to the threat to The Markets.

Government officials in Greece engaged in Enron-style accounting fraud to get into the Euro, and then they continued the facade for years and years until, like Bernie Madoff, they could no longer keep up the illusion. Government officials are solely responsible for the state of Greece. Government officials thought they could essentially lie, cheat and steal with impunity. They were wrong. There is no free lunch, and nobody is going to just hand them a "do-over" slate, especially not the people of the nations who were betrayed by Greece. The other members of the EU trusted Greece, and Greece betrayed that trust from the beginning and just kept increasing the severity of the deception until the house of cards fell down. Actions have consequences. The Greeks made their bed, and now they're going to have to sleep in it.

Blaming somebody/something else for your mistakes/problems is the easiest thing in the world to do, but the free market/bankers have nothing to do with any of this. This is merely an example of government corruption and its consequences.

You have such contempt for the Greek government, yet you have exhorted the Greek government to kill Greek civilians, publicly, in this thread.

Just pointing that out. Not to you, but to the rest of the forum should they be interested in this fact.

The current administration in Greece actually brought to light a lot of the corruption, although one has to wonder if they would have continued the facade if circumstances allowed it. In any case, the politicians currently in charge are not solely, or even largely, to blame for the current crisis. Their predecessors and much of the bureaucracy is really to blame. In any case, the Greek government now needs to maintain law and order, or risk having the entire nation going up in flames. The protesters are using deadly force, and have actually killed innocent women in banks, and anytime protesters use deadly force you need to respond with deadlier force if you want to get the situation under control.

[2952-0-0]

Good thing the Greek government is too incompetent to listen to Politico. Otherwise they'll actually be prosecuted for high treason and such.

[World politics is up Schmitt creek]

In any case, the Greek government now needs to maintain law and order or risk the entire nation going up in flames. The protesters are using deadly force, and have actually killed innocent women in banks, and anytime protesters use deadly force you need to respond with deadlier force.

Small gubmint!

[2952-0-0]

We've heard the term "tipping point" too many times as the crisis dragged on. When is the real, real tipping point, and what does it entail?

[Politico]

In any case, the Greek government now needs to maintain law and order or risk the entire nation going up in flames. The protesters are using deadly force, and have actually killed innocent women in banks, and anytime protesters use deadly force you need to respond with deadlier force.

Small gubmint!

So if you were in Greece, you would rather see anarchy than restoration of law and order?

It should probably only take a few warning shots, some close calls, to get the protesters back into a peaceful protesting mode, which is their democratic right. But they do not have the right to firebomb buildings and law enforcement officials. At this rate, it's only a matter of time before the protesters kill more people. They've already killed a couple of innocent women who just happened to work in a bank.

[2952-0-0]

Nice try at covering your behind.  It's a bit more credible than insinuations about Democrats infiltrating caucuses as part of an evil plot to crash a coronation ceremony.