Santorum: Women shouldn't be in front-line combat.

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inb4 the deluge of sexist and pseudoscientific bullsht.  I'm just going to stay out of this thread, because I know that there's going to be some posts that are going to make me vomit.

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Okay, I'm posting...just one more time.

Men do not have an inborn instinct to protect women.  It's cultural, if anything.  And, with the level of brainwashing that occurs in military training, it's something that can easily be dealt with.

I love that Republicans continue to apparently not care about women voters at all, despite them being a majority. Keep it up, GOP. We'll gladly take them.

Unfortunately, a lot of women are brainwashed to support their own oppression.

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Unfortunately, a lot of women are brainwashed to support their own oppression.

That is perhaps one of the most demeaning comments about women I have ever heard.

There were women who spit in the faces of suffragettes.  And there are people like Phyllis Schlafly, who thinks marital rape is a-okay, and then there's tards like this.

It's kind of hard to be demeaning to women when you're a radical feminist.

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CaDan, Santorum never served in the military, so kindly shut your trap.

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And...

1) The first part of my comment has nothing to do with the military.

2) I know people who have served in the military.  There's plenty of source material to attest to what I said.

But I'm going to stop there, lest I feed the troll.

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And...

1) The first part of my comment has nothing to do with the military.

2) I know people who have served in the military.  There's plenty of source material to attest to what I said.

But I'm going to stop there, lest I feed the troll.

BWHWHWHWHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH!

"I know people"

Wow... Just wow.

I actually served in the military. You have no clue what you are talking about.

And there are people who served in the military who would disagree with you.  And as I said, Santorum has never served in the military, yet you're not kvetching about his comment because you agree with him.  So stop acting like your opinion is superior because of your experience.  It's not.

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And...

1) The first part of my comment has nothing to do with the military.

2) I know people who have served in the military.  There's plenty of source material to attest to what I said.

But I'm going to stop there, lest I feed the troll.

BWHWHWHWHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH!

"I know people"

Wow... Just wow.

I actually served in the military. You have no clue what you are talking about.

And there are people who served in the military who would disagree with you.  And as I said, Santorum has never served in the military, yet you're not kvetching about his comment because you agree with him.  So stop acting like your opinion is superior because of your experience.  It's not.

It is.

No it isn't.

As I said, there are plenty of people who have served in the military who disagree with you.  Just like how there are people who have served in the military who oppose war, or who think socialism is a good idea.  The fact that you've served in the military doesn't mean your opinion is the end all be all of this subject.

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Call me unpatriotic, but I highly doubt this little troll ever served a day in his life.

Nah, I suspect he really is one of those arrogant right-wing olds.

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Okay, I'm posting...just one more time.

Men do not have an inborn instinct to protect women.  It's cultural, if anything.  And, with the level of brainwashing that occurs in military training, it's something that can easily be dealt with.

Do we really want soldiers trained to not be protective?  That sort of training would be almost certain to cause problems both in action, and when they come home.  As much as some liberals would like to pretend we can shunt the military off into some never-never land where they never have to come into contact with civilians, that ain't the case.  And as much as some conservatives would like to pretend that we can train finely-honed killing machines who can turn off their aggression at the flick of some inner switch, experience has shown that really isn't the case.

That said, I'm not particularly worried about the effects on combat ability if we were to completely gender integrate our military.  For one thing, I don't expect a flood of G.I. Janes in infantry foxholes even if we did.  For another, our current areas of combat operations have so little to do with the concept of front lines, that we can't say that women don't regularly serve in combat now.

Well said. Protectiveness is the reason for a legitimate military in the first place.  Treating soldiers as blank slates to be reprogrammed into depersonalizing the enemy is a recipe for PTSD and atrocity.

They just need to be trained to view their comrades as comrades regardless of their sex.

However...

I dislike the whole nature of the military.  It's like this weird void in an otherwise progressive society where it's still 2000 BCE.  I suppose it's fine as long as it's all totally voluntary.

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It's not a "natural instinct."  It's entirely a cultural thing.  It just appears inborn because of the way gender socialization works.  Just like every other aspect of gender.

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It's not a "natural instinct."  It's entirely a cultural thing.  It just appears inborn because of the way gender socialization works.  Just like every other aspect of gender.

Regardless- it is there and would be an issue

Aside from that, women are less physically prepared for combat. There is a reason PFTs for women have lower standards...females are simply unable to push the limits of physical strength and stamina of men. Hell any woman serving right now could do far better then most male civilians in a physial contest... but women are unable to reach the required physical level for combat

Er...

All women are not weaker than all men.

And it doesn't have to be an issue.  The way military training works, it could be dealt with.